QV mailing list archives - 1997


Date: Sun, 02 Feb 1997 02:00:55 -0800
From: Bob Page <page -at- neato.org>
Subject: qv mailing list is back


After an extended sleep, the qv mailing list is operational again,
ready to discuss all things related to the Alesis QuadraVerb family.

I know it's been quite a while, and things change.  If you no longer
care to be on the mailing list, let me know.

Otherwise, here are some addresses to remember:

Submissions:	[deleted .. bob]
Administration:	[deleted .. bob]
Web site:	http://www.neato.org/qv/

The list is now run by Majordomo, which should result in faster
turnaround time for processing requests, unlike the response
times you've been experiencing.  :-/

Thanks for your patience.

bp


Date: Sun, 2 Feb 1997 12:23:56 -0500 (EST)
From: Jonathan Giles <jgiles -at- interport.net>
Subject: mac sysex program for qv


Hello:

I am new to the list, and would like to know if some people here might know
of a mac program that controls the quadraverb thru sysex.  Any help would
be appreciated.

jg

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Naval Cassidy    aka
The Stuffed Dermatologist

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Date: Sun, 2 Feb 1997 14:16:39 -0500 (EST)
From: Randy Darden <rdarden -at- engin.umich.edu>
Subject: Alesis phone number?


   Does anybody have Alesis's current customer support number?  Do they 
still offer free ROM upgrades for original Quadraverbs or do they cost 
money now?

Thanks
Randy
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Date: Sun, 2 Feb 1997 15:07:01 -0500 (EST)
From: Brian DeSantis <BRIAN -at- bccls.org>
Subject: alesis support


according to their web page, try (800-5-ALESIS, 8-4 Mon-Thu. 9-4 Friday.
except for a lunch break each day from 11:45 to 12:15. all times 
are in alesis' local time - Pacific. they are located in L.A.

web page is at http://www.alesis.com


Date: Sun, 02 Feb 1997 18:08:28 -0800
From: James Anderson <zig -at- iquest.net>
Subject: Quadraverb Programming


Glad to see the list is back in order.  I recently purchased an older QV+
and found a few things on the web, but they have disappeared now...

Anyone have code to download / upload the Settings of a quadraverb?  If
not, I am willing to write some things for people, I just need specs...

 -Jim



Date: Sun, 2 Feb 1997 21:33:32 -0600 (CST)
From: Micheal Allen Thompson <mat0001 -at- jove.acs.unt.edu>
Subject: Re: mac sysex program for qv


You could het MAX from Opcode and make a sysex panel... its not very
hard and you can make it anyway you want.

Michael


Date: Sun, 2 Feb 1997 22:52:36 -0500 (EST)
From: Jonathan Giles <jgiles -at- interport.net>
Subject: Re: mac sysex program for qv


Thanks Michael, and the rest that offered the info.

I have MAX, but how would I know what i am poking when i send a sysex command?
I have never done anything with sysex before.  Is there a book I can get
that you know about?

thanks again

jg


Subject: Re: glad to be on this list 
Date: Mon, 03 Feb 1997 09:44:42 -0800
From: tim scott <tims -at- moly.vigra.com>


I can't afford a Lexicon 480 so I have
to make my QV+ do as much as possible....

(every so often you ought to send out a short FAQ so people can
learn how to unsubscribe or change their email addresses, etc.)

Here's some info I hope will be helpful to other QV users.

First of all, my old QV croaked and I sent it to Alesis. They turned it 
around in a matter of DAYS for an $80 fixed fee including shipping. In 
addition they upgraded it to a + for no extra charge. I am VERY pleased
with their support.

You may have to wait a while on the line when you call them, (that's
why having a headset or speakerphone is a must) but they are 
knowledgable and helpful once you get through. (I suppose they regard 
QV questions as annoyances, making most of their money from ADATs...)

Let me also share a technical issue with you, since it caused me massive 
frustration for several days. 

I finally decided I wanted to use the MOD feature to control parameters
from MIDI CCs. Partially because I got a Roland MCR-8 which has a
bunch of prorgammable buttons and sliders (like the Alesis MRC, but not
as fancy.)

The thing that confounded me for so long was that the *display does not
change* if you map a CC to some value and then vary it. The MOD is an 
OFFSET ONLY to the parameter you are attaching it to!!!

This may seem evident to many of you veterans, but it drove me nuts. I
was under the impression (and this is not documented anywhere) that
if you mapped a cc to a parameter, you could change the parameter by
sending the cc messages. T'aint really so.

Also, keep in mind how the cc maps to the parameter will be different
for everything. CCs usually range from 0 - 127, pitch bend is +/-
8192, so you have to figure how the values map to the different
parameters. (For instance, if your midrange f is set to 1000 Hz, 
and you map cc1 to it, with a +99 amplitude, changing cc1 will allow
you to INCREASE the frequency but not decrease it -- and the range
will depend on the range of the parameter.

ANYWAY...without going into more gory detail: the MOD function DOES
work, but it ain't explained very well in the documentation.

Also someone asked about a Mac editor for the QV. Some years ago
I found a demo program from "SpazTech" but it had MIDI disabled. I
wasn't impressed enough with it to order it.

Also, there used to be a program called X-Or. I don't even remember
where I got it. It had modules for a lot of synths, including the
original QV. It works great.

I wonder if Bob Page had something to do with that?

Tim Scott
tims -at- crow-caw.com
http://www.crow-caw.com


Date: Mon, 3 Feb 1997 13:08:02 -0500 (EST)
From: Randy Darden <rdarden -at- engin.umich.edu>
Subject: input sensitivity variation?


   My Quadraverb (manufactured in 1989, on my *birthday*) has a rather 
annoying problem: the input gain changes occasionally.  The problem was 
particularly troublesome this afternoon when I was using it.  It would be 
fine for 10 seconds, then get like 2dB louder for about 5 sec, then drop 
back down, then do it again..
   Is this a common problem?  I suspect not, but perhaps someone has seen 
it and knows the cause/method to repair!

advTHANKSance
Randy
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Date: Mon, 3 Feb 1997 13:16:48 -0600 (CST)
From: Micheal Allen Thompson <mat0001 -at- jove.acs.unt.edu>
Subject: Re: mac sysex program for qv


If you have the manual, it has a pretty good sysex section. I did a
sysex panel for the DP4, K2000, and SPX1000 but have not yet started one 
for the qv..... the macworld sound and music bible has a good sysex
section.... any MIDI book with documented standard midi refference will
work. Max makes all this pretty easy. You need the devuce ID and the
parameter you are trying to change. Line them up in the right order(I
forget the byte order at the moment) in hex and send them out the midi
port.

I wish I could be of more help but I havent used midi in about 2 years.

Michael



From: Natalia Rakowski <epiphone -at- clark.net>
Subject: how to use quad gt with art x-15 midi pedal board...
Date: Mon, 3 Feb 1997 18:23:59 -0500 (EST)


i have a quad gt and have also acquired an art x-15 controller ....

i was wondering how to get the 2 expression pedals programmed to work
with the gt....

thanks....

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Date: Mon, 3 Feb 1997 23:36:01 +0000
From: Robert Watson <robert -at- gcmac.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: mac sysex program for qv


I have been writing a quadraverb + / quadraverb GT editor for the Mac
for about 3 years on and off.
It has a bank display showing all the patches in a bank(double clicking on a
patch name opens a display of a patch)
A patch displays circuit diagrams as in the manual (double clicking on the
individual
effects opens dialog boxs controling the effects).
Patchs and Banks can be saved to disk.
It supports OMS/Midimanager/direct to port midi.
It is about 95% complete and just needs a bit of tidying up.
I intend to release it as shareware.
I think I can have it ready in about 2 weeks
If anyone is interested let me know maybe I can get it uploaded to the
web page.

Rob Watson



From: SunnyRoses -at- aol.com
Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 06:24:26 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: mac sysex program for qv


Rob,

saw your mail to the list regarding the editor for the qv.

i'm pretty new to the quadraverb world (quite the johnny-come-
lately, i know); i picked up a used qv GT recently, and have
just begun digging in.  i'd love to check out your shareware
when it's ready.

a question:  how have you gotten best results with the Tremelo
circuit?  i was looking forward to using this patch, and it's
really noisy.

thanks for any info.

jeff


Date: Tue, 04 Feb 1997 15:54:24 +0000 (GMT)
From: "The Akond Of Swot.." <BENJAMIN4 -at- mdx.ac.uk>
Subject: Noisy tremolo


>i'm pretty new to the quadraverb world (quite the johnny-come-
>lately, i know); i picked up a used qv GT recently, and have
>just begun digging in.  i'd love to check out your shareware
>when it's ready.

>a question:  how have you gotten best results with the Tremelo
>circuit?  i was looking forward to using this patch, and it's
>really noisy.


Mmmmm. It's nice noisy. Not too digital noisy, but noisy.
Real remolos are very fizzy and fat and noisy - so the GT
dupes this (unwittingly) well.

Good results with a panning setup + 2 amps with a strat.

Blows minds at small gigs at low level....

Any UK fans out there?

//bensk 


From: KOCHLA_at_BCEPO04 -at- ccmail.worldcom.com
Date: Tue, 04 Feb 97 12:04:55 cst
Subject: Re: Noisy tremolo


The Akond of Swot wrote:

>Mmmmm. It's nice noisy. Not too digital noisy, but noisy. Real remolos are 
>very fizzy and fat and noisy - so the GT dupes this (unwittingly) well.

>Good results with a panning setup + 2 amps with a strat.

I've found the tremolo and the Leslie on the GT to be on the noisy side as 
well. I'd rather not hear the tremolo going when I'm not playing any notes, 
so I just use a tremolo pedal (Schaller, in this case) and adjust the noise 
gate. As for panning, I like to plug the GT into the "main in" inputs on 
the back of my JC-120 so it pans between the 2 speakers - anyone else do 
this?


Larry



Date: Tue, 04 Feb 1997 12:38:53 -0600
From: Karl Schmidt <karl -at- cyweb.com>
Subject: Windows Quadraverb Editor/Librarian


Hi,

If anyone is interested, I have developed a shareware Quadraverb
Editor/Librarian for Windows 3.1/95. It can be downloaded at
http://www.cyweb.com/~karl/midi/midi.html". Also, I will be releasing a
new version in about a week after I have tested a couple of bug fixes.

Enjoy,
Karl Schmidt
karl -at- cyweb.com


From: SunnyRoses -at- aol.com
Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 22:43:36 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Noisy tremolo


>As for panning, I like to plug the GT into the "main in" inputs 
>on the back of my JC-120 so it pans between the 2 speakers - 
>anyone else do this?

hadn't yet, but will do at the next gig - just got the GT, 
actually.  the JC is my main gigging amp.  not that i wouldn't
like an AC30 as well, but i digress...

got any favorite GT patches to share?  thanks for any hints.

jeff


From: Chris Sherwood <chrisshe -at- microsoft.com>
Subject: RE: glad to be on this list 
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 14:54:07 -0800


Greetings All:

> From: 	tim scott[SMTP:tims -at- moly.vigra.com]
> 
> The thing that confounded me for so long was that the *display does
> not
> change* if you map a CC to some value and then vary it. 
> 
In case this helps, I thought I should mention that this may have been a
problem for Alesis to include screen updates with the older processor.
I know that with one of my Digitech processors, they give the option to.
And when you do select "update screen", it does slow the processor down,
sometimes causing the sound to stutter.


Chris



From: Chris Sherwood <chrisshe -at- microsoft.com>
Subject: Quadraverb 2
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 15:10:32 -0800


Am I the only one here with a QV2?  

I've got an older QV+ as well as a QV2 (couldn't see selling the old
one--you never have enough reverbs during mixdown, eh?).  I also use a
Digitech GSP-2101 in the guitar rack, which doubles as a stereo digital
multi-effects unit as well. 

QV2 BUG:  I've got version 2.01 of the software for the QV2 and I
noticed one program that gives an annoying ticking noise.  I suppose you
could call it zipper noise.  I keep forgetting the exact present that
demonstrates it (I'll try to bring the info in tomorrow to send to
Alesis), but I believe that patch is in the user-0 bank, in the mid to
upper thirties, and it's a sort of panning flange.

Anyways, I've traced the problem down to the local generators, an LFO
generator specifically.  If you put it on a slower speed (as this
factory user patch does), you can hear it ticking in the background,
loud enough to make the effect unusable.

Has anyone else heard this?

Chris




From: Ben Lambregts <LAMBREGTSB -at- mail.dec.com>
Subject: Re:Re:mac sysex program for qv
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 21:12:48 -0000


Rob Watson wrote:


> I have been writing a quadraverb + / quadraverb GT editor for the Mac
> for about 3 years on and off.
> It has a bank display showing all the patches in a bank(double clicking on a
> patch name opens a display of a patch)
> A patch displays circuit diagrams as in the manual (double clicking on the
> individual effects opens dialog boxs controling the effects).
> Patchs and Banks can be saved to disk.
> It supports OMS/Midimanager/direct to port midi.
> It is about 95% complete and just needs a bit of tidying up.
> I intend to release it as shareware.
> I think I can have it ready in about 2 weeks
> If anyone is interested let me know maybe I can get it uploaded to the
> web page.

YES YES YES ! Please do.
I've been searching for such a program for almost 2 years now..
I'm very pleased with it.
And also the reappearance of this list b.t.w.

Greeting Ben Lambregts

Eeeuh,.. where's the QV Web page again ?? Just in advance ;)


Date: Thu, 06 Feb 1997 13:30:36 -0800
From: Bob Page <page -at- neato.org>
Subject: Re:Re:mac sysex program for qv


>Eeeuh,.. where's the QV Web page again ?? Just in advance ;)

http://www.neato.org/qv/

bp



From: Chris Sherwood <chrisshe -at- microsoft.com>
Subject: FW: Re[6]: Alesis -- need QV2 version 2 addendum / patches
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 13:51:04 -0800


I mentioned a Q2 bug yesterday -- here's the details I just sent Alesis,
FYI:

Note: bypassing the blocks as described in step 2 isn't possible in
earlier Q2 versions, I reckon from what I've read.  But then, these
earlier versions may not have the local generator (or at least the bug)
either.

Chris

>----------
>
>In reference to my earlier mail that mentioned a bug, I finally have all of
>the details you would require to reproduce the problem for yourself.  Here it
>is in steps (I work with software testers, so this reporting form should
>help):
>
>Machine:  Quadraverb II, version 2.01 
>
>1.  Dial up User 0-36, "MorphingFlange"
>
>	Note: I can hear the clicking at this point.  The following 
>	steps are only required to determine the source.
>
>2.  Bypass the blocks one by one, but holding the bypass button and pressing
>the numbered button for each block (#1, #2, etc.).  This eliminates any of
>these effects as sources for the problem.
>
>	Note:    Don't use the global bypass for this, as it will 
>	mask the problem. 
>
>	At this point, the clicking should be more audible (you 
>	should be sending a signal through:  my signal was a
>	stummed and sustained electric guitar signal).  
>
>3.  Press the modulation button and page over to the Local Generator number
>one, which is an LFO for this patch.  Page over to the next page where the
>LFO speed parameter is and adjust this parameter.
>
>	Adjusting the LFO speed should demonstrate that the
>	LFO is the source of the clicking sound.  If you slow the
>	LFO down some, the clicking will slow.  You can speed
>	it up some too, but beyond a certain speed, the LFO
>	smooths out and the clicking dissappears.
>
>CONCLUSION:  The LFO is useless for any slow-speed modulation, which is too
>bad -- seems this would have been a great way to further enhance rotating
>speaker simulations and other swirling textures.
>
>Chris



Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 18:34:22 -0800 (PST)
From: "B. Page" <page -at- wicked.neato.org>
Subject: how to unsubscribe from qv


Just a reminder, if you want to get off the qv mailing list,
you need to send a message to

	[deleted .. bob]

To the folks who already know this, sorry.  I've got a
filter that's supposed to catch administrative requests,
but as you can see, some slip through.

bp



Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 23:53:21 +0000 (GMT)
From: "The Akond Of Swot.." <BENJAMIN4 -at- mdx.ac.uk>
Subject: Hmmm...


Spent the weekend programming guitar patches into a Q+ for
a friend with a fat strat and a fat amp - the quad reverbs are *so*
good for guitars. 

Here's a true story: 

I have *lost* my Quadraverb power supply.

<weeps> 

Yes, friends, it's true. I was at a gig at the Bottomline, Shepards
Bush London with Mile High Club, and it must have been stolen in the
get-out - or mislaid.  Well, the venue closed down soon after - by the
time i'd traced it back there anyway,....

If there are any England based Quadraverb owners who see a second hand
one for sale out there, I'd appreciate a shout - benjamin4 -at- mdx.ac.uk
or, leave your email address on 01462 129492

<sigh>

//Bensk



From: tssch -at- agt.gmeds.com ( Scott            C.      Hampton           230-2934 AGT/5514)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 97 07:38:40 EST


Hello everyone,

I don't know if I asked to be on this list so long ago that I forgot
about it or if I got on by accident, but it's pretty interesting so
far. The mail at times sure comes in fast and furious!

I've had a GT for about 4 or 5 years and until recently was trying
to use the preamp section for distortion. While the distortion is
OK, it certainly will not give you that giant guitar sound. I know
from experience. I got close but the ADA MP-1 I ended up buying
makes the GT preamp sound like a toy. One of the things I seemed 
to long for the most was more tone control. It simply is not there.
Oh well......

I have 2 questions.

1. As for the individual asking about using the ART expression pedals
with a QV, if anyone has ever done this or used any real-time MIDI
control features of a QV I would be interested in hearing about the
results. I have always wondered how well it would work but did not
want to spend the bucks on a controller to find out. Also, if anyone
knows of a kit or schematic for a MIDI, continous, real-time program
controller similar to the DigiTech MC2, I have an old volume pedal
I'd like to convert.


2. I'm a guitarist who uses just bare bones MIDI for program changes.
The 2 different foot controllers I have (and all others I have seen)
use LED's for the program number display. This is great for dark
venues but we typically do A LOT of outdoor shows in the summer.
Well I think you can already see where I'm going with this....in
bright sunlight those big, red LED displays are worthless. I usually
must revert to duct taping (great stuff!) odd shaped pieces of 
cardboard on the footswitch to hopefully provide enough shade so I
can see the display. Now for my question: does ANYONE know of either a
kit or schematic for a back-lit LCD display that would simply 'read'
the MIDI change message and display it? I'm thinking of a little box
with a MIDI in and MIDI out or thru plug. Has anyone given this
some consideration? I am surely not the first person doing outdoor
gigs with MIDI footswitches to experience this problem. If I had the
time I would dig into the electronics behind MIDI and try to design
my own, however that is not possible. In fact it would be great to
also have a MIDI merge function designed into something like this
so I could just use 1 MIDI cable from the controllers to my rack
instead of a MIDI cable for each controller.


Thanks,


Scott Hampton





From: Thomas Scott Wilson <wilson -at- ECE.MsState.Edu>
Subject: great preamp tones from QVGT
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 11:26:59 -0600 (CST)




Well, I'll have to argue a point about the GT's preamp not sounding good.

I just got through recording a session this way, and in anyone is interested
in hearing one of the tracks, I'll have a snippet of the song (the guitar
solo =:) on the net if anyone wants...

I like to do this on most of my settings, and I am a fan of Daniel Lanios,
The Edge, Richard THompson, Adrian Belew, Scott Johnson, just to give you 
an idea of what I listen to.

Set the low and high eq to +-0.00dB and set the mid EQ to +14.00dB (as 
high as it goes) and a witdh of about .66 octaves to .33 octaves. 
I have a guitar with two humbuckers and i found a nice sweet spot for
the mid eq to be about 1300Hz. your milege may vary, but start around 1000
to 1200 Hz. then
set the preamp to be post eq in the mix section. turn the preamp curve
to flat, set the distortion to 0 and the overdrive to about 2 or 3. turn 
everything else down, and add chorus, delay, reverb, etc little by little.
I set the direct level to 99 and the preamp level to 99 so there's a little
of both coming through. 

beauty....  when you play single notes, theyre clear with sustain, hit a chord 
and there's a little crunch... lovely... note that there's no overdrive now...
I use a rat for that... set with distortion low - about 9:30 to 10oclock and 
the filter the same place. the level is about 2:00 to 3:00.... just enough
to give some volume boost... the same could be accomplished with almost any
pedal that lets you turn the distortion down but the volume up. this sends
the qv overdrive into a nice sound that is distorted, but each not is still
clear. 

I run this into a fender 4x12 through a crest 200w power amp, and it gets
that great feed back that is controllable but there when you need it.


I would have agreed with you about a year ago, but I just recently found out
the wonders of this thing, and you should give it a shot.

any comments?

-Scott


Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 13:37:39 -0500
From: eno -at- stratos.net (eno)
Subject: Noisy QV


I've got a plain old Quadraverb that I have been using for a few years, but
I always wind up leaving it out of final mixes and going with the FX built
into my Yamaha Promix (Yechh!).  The main reason being that the outs are
VERY hissy.  I love the FX that the QV is capable of but, I really need to
keep the noise level down.  I used to have a MIDIVerb II that was my main
overall 'verb because it was so clean, but that blew out. :(  I would love
to use the QV in in its place. Anyone else ever have the same problem?  Any
suggestions?  I know that the MIDIVerb II had a great noise gate which is
something the QV seems to be lacking.  Perhaps a noise gate would help?

Thanx,
Eno

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Subject: Re: Noisy QV 
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 11:09:47 -0800
From: tim scott <tims -at- vigra.com>


> I've got a plain old Quadraverb that I have been using for a few years, but
> I always wind up leaving it out of final mixes and going with the FX built
> into my Yamaha Promix (Yechh!).  The main reason being that the outs are
> VERY hissy.  

(My apologies if this has already been discussed...I'm new on the list
and I don't know if it's archived.)

A big 10-4 about QV hiss. (Mine has been upgraded to QV+). With the output 
level control at 3:00 or higher, it is EXTREMELY noisy; I mean to the point 
where it can't be considered a professional tool. 

I need to keep it to about the 1:00 position and boost gain elsewhere
in the signal path...but I used to even think it was a bug in my unit
until I got it back from Alesis all fixed and upgraded and it was as
noisy as before.

I suppose it might be acceptable on stage...

> I love the FX that the QV is capable of but, I really need to
> keep the noise level down.  I used to have a MIDIVerb II that was my main
> overall 'verb because it was so clean, but that blew out. :(  I would love
> to use the QV in in its place. Anyone else ever have the same problem?  Any
> suggestions?  I know that the MIDIVerb II had a great noise gate which is
> something the QV seems to be lacking.  Perhaps a noise gate would help?

The QV does have a reverb gate but that seems not to have anything to
do with the main outs.

Ready to hear other opinions...

Tim Scott
tims -at- crow-caw.com
http://www.crow-caw.com



Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 11:26:05 -0800 (PST)
From: Matt Blockey <mblockey -at- qualcomm.com>
Subject: qv upgrade?


I see all these e-mails about upgrading to the Quad+ . Is it possible for
me to upgrade  my Quadraverb GT?

Go t-wolves




From: Thomas Scott Wilson <wilson -at- ECE.MsState.Edu>
Subject: examples of qv recording...
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 18:11:25 -0600 (CST)



well, I said I would have that quadraverb preamp tone on the web, and 
here it is....

http://www2.msstate.edu/~wilson/qvgt1.html


let me know what you think...

-Scott



From: tssch -at- agt.gmeds.com ( Scott            C.      Hampton           230-2934 AGT/5514)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 97 07:00:00 EST



Point well taken on the GT preamp.

A few years back I used lighter distortion settings as Scott Wilson
described and at that time I thought the sound was pretty good,
especially right after I bought it. But as time goes on and things
change......now I am in a very heavy hard rock, almost metal, band
and in my opinion, the GT preamp didn't have enough distortion or
EQ control to dial in that monster sound with tons of feedback,
which is what I meant by:

> 'While the distortion is OK, it certainly will not give you that
> giant guitar sound. I know from experience. I got close but...'

So it does depend on your application.

When I get the chance Scott I will check out your snippet.

Scott


Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 10:41:18 -0500 (EST)
From: Randy Darden <rdarden -at- engin.umich.edu>
Subject: FS: ALESIS D4 1.04 ROM


   I have a new, unopened upgrade ROM (v1.04) for a D4 for that I'm 
looking to sell.  Please email me if you're interested.

Randy
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Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 10:53:34 -0500 (EST)
From: Randy Darden <rdarden -at- engin.umich.edu>
Subject: Re: Noisy QV 


On Tue, 11 Feb 1997, tim scott wrote:

> > I've got a plain old Quadraverb that I have been using for a few years, but
> >... VERY hissy.  

> The QV does have a reverb gate but that seems not to have anything to
> do with the main outs.

   There's a noise gate which reduces the output level when the input is 
below -18dB (below the lowest LED), if memory serves me correctly.  Best 
idea for reducing noise:  input levels as high as possible, and add 
gain/high-end EQ somewhere else if they sound better.
   QVs are noisy, but for the price what can you expect?  Overall they do 
a darn good job for the $$, but if you want great clean reverb you might 
try something like the Lexicon Alex..  Beautiful reverb for < $300!

Randy
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From: Chris Sherwood <chrisshe -at- microsoft.com>
Subject: RE: Noisy QV 
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 12:45:17 -0800


Folks, I've got a QV2, the most recent and completely redesigned
quadraverb, and it's noisy as well.  I reckon we need to face the fact
that this, as you say, not a professional tool.  Yet, I'm constantly
reading about it on the net and in magazines being used in many studios.

I think there's a few things that can help

1:
> I need to keep it to about the 1:00 position and boost gain elsewhere
> in the signal path...but I used to even think it was a bug in my unit
> until I got it back from Alesis all fixed and upgraded and it was as
> noisy as before.
> 
Right, gain-stage is our friend here. Also

2:	More than anything, we need to keep in mind that the Quadraverb
may not actually be creating all of the noise that you're hearing --
much of this noise is input that it is doubling.  Noise is like that, me
things -- the more processing gear you put your noise through, the
louder it will get.   

Case in point:  my guitar rig has a very noise cabinet simulator in it,
which is in-line for the signal going to the console.  If I pipe this
signal down the aux with an effects processor and use a compressor as
well (which will increase gain of the lower signal), the noise makes the
guitar signal pretty much unusable.  (the noisey cab-sim is the ADA
Microcab II, in case you're interested).   I've found that some level
adjustments help, but I've also proved to myself how much the external
gear is doubling the noise level.

Yet, if I use the Q2 on a signal that is relatively clean (a nice
condensor mic on a clean mic pre, with no other processing), I have no
complaints.

3:	Last but not least, I find that with many things, a little less
reverb (and hence, less noise) is desirable regardless, which is
probably why the QV is still acceptable in many studios for *some*
applications

I hope to get a Lexicon MPX-1 soon (less than a grand, street price) for
a primary reverb... but I'll bet I could coax some noise from it...

Chris



Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 00:39:04 -0500
From: eno -at- stratos.net (eno)
Subject: RE: Noisy QV


At 12:45 PM 2/12/97 -0800, you wrote:
>Folks, I've got a QV2, the most recent and completely redesigned
>quadraverb, and it's noisy as well.  I reckon we need to face the fact
>that this, as you say, not a professional tool.  Yet, I'm constantly
>reading about it on the net and in magazines being used in many studios.

This is why I know that the QV and other Alesis FX products should be usable
for my applications.  I have heard that many studios use Alesis FX for
*some* things as well.

>I think there's a few things that can help
>
>1:
>> I need to keep it to about the 1:00 position and boost gain elsewhere
>> in the signal path...but I used to even think it was a bug in my unit...

I will try this and see what the results are.

>2:	More than anything, we need to keep in mind that the Quadraverb
>may not actually be creating all of the noise that you're hearing...

This is true, but I'm pretty sure that the noise is coming from the QV.  I
am feeding it with Aux Sends from my ProMix and those are really clean.  One
definite source of noise is the fact that I did turn up the gain to maximum
for my old setup.  (Before I had the Promix.)  I will need to go back and
turn down all of the gain settings.

>3:	Last but not least, I find that with many things, a little less
>reverb (and hence, less noise) is desirable regardless, which is
>probably why the QV is still acceptable in many studios for *some*
>applications

Unfortunately, I do a lot of Ambient/Techno and need the space that the QV
creates.  By toning down the QVs levels, i would lose the effect I am going
for. I think I would probably be better off trying a different FX unit for
the Ambient spaces.  Oh well, doesn't hurt to have more FX! :)

Thanks to all for the tips.  Just as a side note: I got frustrated not
having the FX that my MIDIVerb II used to do so I programmed a whole set of
FX for the QV that "emulates" the MIDIVerb II in case anyone's interested.
I have to say that these were programmed based on the parameters on the
MIDIVerb II patch list and my memory of what certain things sounded like.
Anyone who's interested can E-mail me for the SYSEX file.

Later,
Eno

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Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 21:04:39 +1100
From: Croft <croft -at- powerup.com.au>
Subject: QV Patcher


I'm am trying to use Karl Schmit's Quadraverb Patcher but with no success.
I can't get the Quadraverb to connect with the computer. I open the program
and get the message `Quadraverb not Responding' 
can anyone help or has anyone had the same problem. 




From: Chris Sherwood <chrisshe -at- microsoft.com>
Subject: RE: Noisy QV
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 11:08:01 -0800


>From: 	eno -at- stratos.net[SMTP:eno -at- stratos.net]
>
>>2:	More than anything, we need to keep in mind that the Quadraverb
>>may not actually be creating all of the noise that you're hearing...
>
>This is true, but I'm pretty sure that the noise is coming from the QV.  I
>am feeding it with Aux Sends from my ProMix and those are really clean.  

The promix is clean, but it will accurately reproduce what is put into
it.  Also, remember that the Aux 3/4 buss is not as high a digital
resolution as the other outputs (18 bits rather than 20).  But you're
right -- the QV is definitely capable of adding it's own noise.

Just this morning, I was reading the recent Keyboard mag review of the
newer Lexicom MXP-1 ($1,300 list, probably $900-1000 street price).  Jim
Aikin said that this is pretty quite for this price of giear, indicating
that anything lesser is noisey (actually, I think he actually said
that).

>One
>definite source of noise is the fact that I did turn up the gain to maximum
>for my old setup.  (Before I had the Promix.)  I will need to go back and
>turn down all of the gain settings.

Did you set all of the wet/dry parameters to 100%?  If you have a QV,
QV+ or QT, you must do this on a patch by patch basis.  The Q2 has a
global parameter for dry-signal-mute.  Either way, you want it 100% wet
for mixing applications (the Promix already has plenty of dry signal).

>Unfortunately, I do a lot of Ambient/Techno and need the space that the QV
>creates.  By toning down the QVs levels, i would lose the effect I am going
>for. I think I would probably be better off trying a different FX unit for
>the Ambient spaces.  Oh well, doesn't hurt to have more FX! :)

I'll bet the real Eno (as well as other great space creators, such as
William Orbit) spend as much time/money investing in effects units as
they do actual musical instruments!

Chris



From: John Miller Whitney <jwhitney -at- concentric.net>
Subject: Hi folks..
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 08:14:30 -0500


.. I am a new subscriber to the list and I was wondering if you pass
patches for the QV within the list or not as well.  Or, do you know of
anywhere online where there is an archive of Quadraverb sounds?

Thanks.


Regards,
John


- Visualize Whirled Peas



Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 18:14:48 -0600 (CST)
From: "Wolseley B. Shoninger" <lap001 -at- freenet.mb.ca>


Hi all, 
        I heard a Quadraverb GT and fell in love with it, divorced my 
wife, and we are now living in sin in a little studio in Canada.
 
        Just a few questions - is there a way to INDEX the archives 
throught the listserv server program? (I prefer downloading archives to 
the annoying hypertext online maillist archives that are usually online - 
these take forever and offer very poor information-to-time value 
parameters.  With an offline bulk mail archive I'm able to browse about a 
meg every few minutes, - online it is about a meg an hour and alot more 
tedious waiting around)

         The next question - Is there a digest version of this list?

So has anyone tried to port the sounds of the GT over to the regular 
quadraverb? How does it sound? less noise I'd imagine (though noise 
doesn't bother me alot)

Good to share a list with fellow (and female) musicians. Power to y'all. 

TURN IT UP... 

                                     Wolseley

P.S. what is it about the Quadraverb algorithm? I've never been satisfied 
with any other reverb sound - when I hear it, the word "sweet" comes to 
mind :) in fact, if I play it at breakfast I don't have to  bother with the 
sugar on my cornflakes. go figure.

btw - any of you know what these extra buttons (besides the volume) do on 
the quadraverb ?? (just kidding)




From: Chris Sherwood <chrisshe -at- microsoft.com>
Subject: RE: 
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 17:04:52 -0800


>From: 	Wolseley B. Shoninger[SMTP:lap001 -at- freenet.mb.ca]
	[...]
>
>btw - any of you know what these extra buttons (besides the volume) do on 
>the quadraverb ?? (just kidding)

Yes, they turn on and off the lights here in my studio -- knock it off,
will ya?!?

Chris



From: jeffrey -at- i-2000.com
Date: Sun, 30 Mar 1997 12:27:21 -0400
Subject: comparable devices to the qv


Hi

I'm currently using two quadraverbs and was thinking of getting
another fx processor and was looking for a device similar in price and
power to the qv.  The qv seems flexible enough.  I don't record voclas
so the perfect reverb is not a must.  Actually everything I record is
from a synth.  My biggest complaint of the qv as is everyone else's is
the noise.  Also can you still get the + upgrade for free.  Alesis
wanted $30 for it which is still cheap but it seems like everyone I
speak to got it for free.  What are other people using that they like?

Thanks

Jeff


From: Chris Sherwood <chrisshe -at- microsoft.com>
Subject: RE: comparable devices to the qv
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 12:11:31 -0800


Jeffrey, if you're talking about the original QV, QV+ or QVGT, then you
might want to consider the Q2 (Quadraverb II) -- it's a totally
different beast (I've got both the QV+ and a Q2). 

Another more affordable consideration would be the Alesis MIDIVERB IV --
this is a 'less than quadraverb' unit in todays line-up, but it may
out-spec the older QV.

Other mfgs:  the Digitech Quad and Studio 400 are great choices. They're
not the best reverbs,  but they've got other great wiz-bang effects and
they have 4 outputs.  You may also want to consider the best Lexicon you
can afford -- they are the studio standard for reverbs.

Chris



From: "John Nunes" <jnunes -at- rwbeck.com>
Subject: guitar applications
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 16:46:51 -0500


Greetings everyone!

I have been using two Alesis quadraverbs for about 5 years or so --- one
(not a +) for vocals and the other (a +) for my guitar rig.  I can't say
enough about how cool sounding and useful/user-friendly the unit is for
guitar.  The mixer section and the user-assignable/mixable input
parameters into the delay and reverb sections make for a lot of different
sounds.  I tend to use a lot of effects to achieve an ambient sound
overall and sometimes very swirly (usually flanged/chorused delays)
sounds.

I have two questions...First, who else out there uses the quadraverb for
guitar, especially live, and how can I set the quadraverb up to be more
useful live perhaps through MIDI?  I've used a foot controller before to
change patches while playing, but the cut-off between programs that have
significant delay or reverb in them gets pretty annoying.  Second, how do
you get a Quadraverb updated to a plus?

Also, I recently bought a Boss GX-700 to act as a preamp unit and for some
additional effects (pitch-shifting, harmonizing, wah, etc.).  Does anyone
have any opinions on this unit or other units (especially digital tube
preamps)?  It's a ($500+) rackmountable conglomeration of tons of Boss
pedal effects (it has the above effects as well as analog
distortion/overdrive, delay, reverb, chorus/flange/phaser/ring modulator,
tremolo/pan, and an unusual effects called a humanizer).  The unit seems a
little noisy, and I was wondering if there was some other ways of hooking
it up to minimize this.  I run both units out of a stereo effects loop in
my combo amplifier (Ampeg SS-140C).

I apologize for the length of the e-mail, but I'm very late in finding
this forum.  Thanks in advance.
----------------------------------
Jonathan Nunes
Economist
R.W. Beck
jnunes -at- rwbeck.com
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Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 09:38:25 -0500
From: jff -at- odin.tropel.com (Jon Fleig)
Subject: Re: guitar applications


I use a Quadraverb GT that I purchased new in 1991 for both live
work and recording.  I use an ART X11 midi foot controller to
do the program changes.

The X11 gives access to 5 patches at a time without having to
do the little dance to increment/decrement to the next set of
5.  I've organized my sounds into about 7 sets of 5, with the clean,
swirly things assigned to the buttons toward the left, and the
harder crunchy things toward the right in each set.  There is
quite a bit of overlap/duplication among the banks, with some banks
having higher effect levels, and other banks lower effect levels.

This allows me to adjust somewhat to the acoustic environment we're
performing in.  High effect levels sound better outdoors, in festival tents,
and in high ceiling clubs, but can turn very muddy in more reflective
spaces.

I run the stereo output of the QV directly into the mixing board,
and use one of the aux sends to get a mono feed to my guitar monitor
(a Fender Princeton) on stage.  I use the master effects level in
each patch to control the volume among patches, so I rarely need to
adjust the QV's output knob.

I concur with other list subscribers who have complained about the
QV can be noisy. Rather than whine, though, I've been careful about 
setting my gain structure (e.g. don't set the input/output knobs past
the one o'clock position if you can help it), and backing off on the
high frequency eq if hiss becomes a problem.

Sure, there are a lot of compromises in the QV, but with QV GT's
readily available at about $250 in the used market, it's hard to find
a unit with more usability (for my music, at least) for less than
three times the money.

By the way, my QV's battery is still going strong at age 6, but
it must be thinking about its own mortality daily.  Has anyone done
their own battery replacement?  Where did you get the battery?

Thanks,

Jon Fleig
jff -at- tropel.com




From: HCarlH -at- aol.com
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 23:35:36 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Guitar Applications / QV Update


<< how do you get a Quadraverb updated to a plus? >>

Jonathan,

I just got my original QV updated a couple of weeks ago.  It cost me $30 for
the EPROM upgrade, $2.33 for CA tax & $5 for shipping....total = $37.33.  Of
course your shipping costs & tax probably will be different.

Call 310/836-7924 (Alesis Product Support) and they can point you in the
right direction.  It's very easy to change....about the same difficulty as
changing memory chips in a computer.  I haven't really messed with it too
much because of job responsibilities (the EVIL "real" J-O-B syndrome), but I
plan to this weekend.  Of what I've heard, I'm glad I did it (finally!).  I'm
most interested in the tremolo and panning effects....not so much in the
resonators and tapped delay (but if I mess with the new delay, I might change
my mind).

<<how can I set the quadraverb up to be more useful live perhaps through
MIDI?  I've used a foot controller before to
change patches while playing, but the cut-off between programs that have
significant delay or reverb in them gets pretty annoying.>>

When I was in a band, the cut-off noise, etc. didn't matter to me much
because the band noise (Top 40....yawn) would mask it to a degree  I'm not
exactly sure how to deal with the delay/reverb problem.  Any type of noise
gate would probably kill the effect during normal playing....not desired  And
the whole purpose of switching (in general) is to go to a different
effect....thus the difficulty.  The only way (expensive and bulky) I see is
to use more than one amp (and QV or similar) and let the previous amp's
delay/reberb continue to fade after switching to the already preset second
amp with a regular A/B box.

But gear is fun anyway.....why not spend some more $$$$?  :)

Carl
HCarlH -at- aol.com


Date: Wed, 05 Mar 1997 20:31:45 +1000
From: Croft <croft -at- powerup.com.au>
Subject: Volume control


I use a Boss fc50 with my QV gt and want to know how i can change the
volume between patches and in one patch with a foot pedal. What parameters
work well with changing the volume in comparison with other patches and
what work well with a foot pedal controling a parameter. 
ben croft
croft -at- powerup.com.au



From: vermeere -at- nlceicl1.serigate.philips.com
Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 12:35:00 +0100
Subject: Re: RE: Guitar Applications / QV Update


I'm sorry to spoil this a bit: 

The tremolo is not perfect to say the least. There's some ticking, but I doubt
they added this to mimic an alike side-effect of tube-amp tremolo circuits.

The sampler (1.55 seconds, whoa !) is nice though, I thought this is also
new to the Plus-version. Short loops, single playback & various editing are
possible.


  Peter


Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 08:56:21 -0500
From: jff -at- odin.tropel.com (Jon Fleig)
Subject: Re: Volume control


I don't use a continuous controller for real-time volume control, but
I do use the "Master Effects Level" in the "Mix" section to set the
relative volume of different patches.  If you use patches that have
a non-zero "Direct Level", you can vary that one, too.  The
"Preamp Output Level" can also be used for volume control, but I only
use it to make sure the digital effects sections get as low noise a
signal as possible without digital clipping.

Jon Fleig
jff -at- tropel.com



From: "John Nunes" <jnunes -at- rwbeck.com>
Subject: Re: Volume control
Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 09:43:44 -0500


	I own a QV+ and use either the direct level or eq level in the mix
section to equalize the volume levels of different programs.  Sometimes
I'll even vary the eq parameters to achieve volume changes.
	I am interested in learning how to change parameters in real time using
either an expression pedals or footswitches.  I've used a footcontroller
(ART X-11) to change programs during play but never individual parameters
(effects levels, reverb decay, modulation depth, etc.).  If you have any
advice for me, I'd appreciate it.




From: tssch -at- agt.gmeds.com ( Scott            C.      Hampton           230-2934 AGT/5514)
Date: Fri, 7 Mar 97 14:44:18 EST
Subject: Re: guitar applications


 
Jonathan, I couldn't agree with you more about how cool the QV is,
especially for guitar. I have used a GT now for about 4 years or
so. In my experience, there's not much that can be done about the
cut-off. I try to keep the delay or reverb times short in most cases
so the effect 'ends' before I need to change. This is a pretty easy
thing to do live anyway because most rooms we play have so much
natural reverb that I don't need to use any. Most of my delay
applications are very short, on the order of 35 to 100 ms, mostly for
fattening the sound. Most instances where I do use a long delay or
reverb there is enough time in the music to allow the program to
finish. There is one spot in the middle of a song where I do use a
very long reverb/delay combination but fortunately the music shifts
slightly at the end of that section & I actually do a hard shift from
the long reverb to a 35ms delay.  At that point there is so much going
on that it seems natural. On one other song I needed a note to hang
out while I begin playing another section and this is done by adding
reverb at the board. So to sum it up, I try to limit the use of long
reverbs & delays only to those sections where I have the time to work
with.


Scott Hampton



From: "John Nunes" <jnunes -at- rwbeck.com>
Subject: Re: guitar applications
Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 16:52:25 -0500


Scott,

Thanks for the response.  Unfortunately, the kind of music we write has a
lot of ambient guitar sounds (in the vein of U2, The Cure, Kitchens,
etc.), so I purchased another processor (Boss GX-700), which has the
capability of switching individual effects on or off, to use in tandem
with the QV (I just haven't figured out how to configure the two units
yet, though).  My initial idea is to use the GX-700 as a preamp primarily,
but that whenever I wanted to be able to switch effects in and out of the
program chain, I would use the GX effects with or without the QV (which
would be bypassable).  I could also have the QV bypassed normally, but
switch it into the chain to add some effect(s) during a song.  Okay, maybe
our music has a lot of ambient guitar sounds because I'm an effects
junkie.


From: "John Nunes" <jnunes -at- rwbeck.com>
Subject: Re: guitar applications
Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 16:56:12 -0500


Hey Scott,
	I just thought to get your opinion on the GT's distortion/overdrive
sounds (assuming you use the unit's preamp).  How "meaty" and "warm" does
it sound vs. other units incl'd analog units and even tube preamps/combo
amps?  Does it have a lot of different sound possibilities?



From: Chris Sherwood <chrisshe -at- microsoft.com>
Subject: RE: guitar applications
Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 15:13:45 -0800


> From: 	John Nunes[SMTP:jnunes -at- rwbeck.com]
> 
> Hey Scott,
> 	I just thought to get your opinion on the GT's
> distortion/overdrive
> sounds (assuming you use the unit's preamp).  How "meaty" and "warm"
> does
> it sound vs. other units incl'd analog units and even tube
> preamps/combo
> amps?  Does it have a lot of different sound possibilities?

Compared to the real thing?  No way.  Sorry, they may be useful for some
of you, but they're hardly convincing and, well, as far as fake
distortion processing, we've got acoustic modeling now (Roland VG8 and
GP-100).

Chris



From: tssch -at- agt.gmeds.com ( Scott            C.      Hampton           230-2934 AGT/5514)
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 08:36:24 -0500 (EST)


Hi Jonathan,

I'm there. I at times have been quite an effect junkie too. And a lot
of my background is in music that has a lot of ambient guitar such as
Rush, Yes, etc. so I know exactly what you are saying. The last band I
was in was somewhat that way which is what I was refering to with the
reverb being added at the board. Now, I'm in a group that does a lot
of fast and heavy riffing, which I found that at times if I use
anything other than a dry signal the riffs get real loose and sloppy.
This has been a difficult transition for someone used to playing
with a lot of long reverb, lots of chorus, etc. I still manage to
get some of it in though :).

I have been playing around with an idea for some time that may
solve this problem or at least provide a work-around. If you are
adept with a soldering iron & have some knowledge of electronics
(or maybe know a friend who can help) you might try this. I hope to
try it one day but I can never seem to find time to do these things
anymore. Anyway, I too have a separate preamp now, which has an
effects loop in it. The effects loop is a big part of this idea.
(Personally, I never cared much for effects loops, I just chain my
gear together as in the old stomp box days and carefully set
the gain stages.) The idea is to always run the QV thru the effects
loop, always keeping the loop 'on' so to speak. Then is was going to
build a switching box that would fit into the circuit between the
effect loop send of the preamp and the input on the QV. This
switch box would have a remote footswitch out by your footcontroller.
The switch box would simply cut off the signal going to the QV from
the effects loop send. Once the QV is not receiving a signal you can
continue to play, but with the effects loop still on, the signal 
from the QV (reverb, delay) would still be fed back into the
preamp. The idea is to be able to use a long delay or reverb on a
section & then be able to switch from the reverb & play immediately
while allowing the reverb to trail off without being cut off. As
I said, I have not tried it myself so there could be a bug that
would keep it from working, but none I can think of right now. I
know I have not given you much in the way of actual constuction 
details. I could possibly if you need them.

As for the preamp section's sound, I used nothing but my GT for
at least 4 years. I always thoought it sounded OK. Not quite as
sterile as a lot of solid state preamps tend to be. Somewhat
warm & a little meaty. When I joined the band I'm with now, 
playing much more of a metal type of thing, I could not seem to
get that super huge, mega chunky, biting, on-the-edge, guitar 
sound. So after a lot of reading & talking to others I bought 
an ADA MP-1 (used for $160) and immediately found the sound I 
was looking for. This is NOT to say the GT preamp sounds bad....
it just didn't fit what I was needing at this time. It did what 
I wanted for the first four years, when I needed a good, smooth, 
basic sound. I primarily used the 3 band EQ in combination with 
the resonators to get a warm sound. Currently I use the preamp
section for compression & noise reduction, which I feel are
very good circuits, especially the noise reduction.

Sorry this is so long.....

Later,

Scott


From: "John Nunes" <jnunes -at- rwbeck.com>
Subject: Re: comparable devices to the qv
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 11:28:03 -0500


Jeff,
	I found this really cool site on the Internet that has reviews of all
kinds of musical equipment from people who have the units all over the
world.  The site is called Harmony Central
(http://www.harmony-central.com/Effects/Data/).  The units reviewed mostly
focus on guitar/bass oriented rack units and floor pedals but may be of
use to you.  The site also has a classified section and tons of links to
manufacturers and other services.  Have fun...but don't get lost in the
maze (and waste half a day) :-)


From: PhilipMay -at- aol.com
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 12:44:44 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: comparable devices to the qv



In a message dated 3/10/97 4:46:33 PM, jnunes -at- rwbeck.com (John Nunes) wrote:
> I found this really cool site on the Internet that has reviews of all
> kinds of musical equipment from people who have the units all over the
> world.  The site is called Harmony Central

Does anyone know if a similar site exists for synthesizers?  It would be
great to read people's comments on relatively new gear to find out what's
good and what's not.


From: "John Nunes" <jnunes -at- rwbeck.com>
Subject: Re: comparable devices to the qv
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 13:25:56 -0500


Phil,

Here is a site with tons (and I mean tons) of links.  I haven't had
time to go through them at all, because there are so damn many.  They
are indexed to some extent, so this should have something along the
lines of what you are looking for.  Check it out.

http://www.homerecording.loomisgroup.com/homerecording/links.html

Let me know if anyone finds anything really interesting.


From: vermeere -at- nlceicl1.serigate.philips.com
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 11:17:49 +0100
Subject: reverb-tails / bypass


>build a switching box that would fit into the circuit between the
>effect loop send of the preamp and the input on the QV. This
>switch box would have a remote footswitch out by your footcontroller.

>The switch box would simply cut off the signal going to the QV from
>the effects loop send. Once the QV is not receiving a signal you can
>continue to play, but with the effects loop still on, the signal 
>from the QV (reverb, delay) would still be fed back into the
>preamp. The idea is to be able to use a long delay or reverb on a
>section & then be able to switch from the reverb & play immediately
>while allowing the reverb to trail off without being cut off. As
>I said, I have not tried it myself so there could be a bug that
>would keep it from working, but none I can think of right now. 


I think this could very well work. In fact, I think this is the way
the BOSS RRV-10 Digital Reverb (the old 1/2 19" box) does its bypass.

Bye,

  Peter

  the Netherlands


Date: Mon, 07 Apr 1997 22:20:01 +0200
From: Hans Flippo <flippo -at- IAEhv.nl>
Subject: Q2 midi file


From the Alesis site I downloaded the file q2usr200.mid. This file
contains the 200 user program for the latest QV2 software, version
2.00. Cakewalk and other programs do not read this file. According to
cakewalk the midi file is corrupt. Alesis admitted to me that that
file can give problems.  My question is: Did somebody succeed in
reading this file in Cakewalk? If yes, could you save it in cakewalk
and send me a copy. I expect that my cakewalk will be able to read
that copy. Thanks!

Hans Flippo
Eindhoven, The Netherlands
e-mail: flippo -at- iaehv.nl


From: Chris Sherwood <chrisshe -at- microsoft.com>
Subject: Q2 v2 strangness / bug
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 14:17:17 -0700


Twice now, I've turned on my rack to find my Quadraverb in the
following condition. The first time, I spent a few hours looking
through all parameters, global and local, to no avail. A total reset
finally fixed it.  With this latest event (over the weekend), I simply
did the reset and it worked again.  But each time I lose 1) my user
memory area (so far I've had recent backups of a mostly unaltered user
area) and 2) all my global settings.

The problem:  the unit would be reset to Preset program #1 (though I'm
sure I was last elsewhere).   Several of the reverb programs would
reveal almost no output level.  Some of them would -- I could scroll
through presets and get ample output from some, nothing (or nearly so)
from others. 

Does this sound familiar to anyone? Any resolutions?

Chris

PS: I think my Q2 ROM revision is v.  2.03 or 2.04.   I put the chips in
myself -- does this sounds like loose chips?

Chris




From: vermeere -at- nlceicl1.serigate.philips.com
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 11:49:52 +0200
Subject: Quadraverb-plus SAMPLER-program


Hi,

Just curious, has anyone an idea why the sample-playback
only sounds decent when played back at the same pitch/speed 
as it was recorded ?

I know there have to be some tricks/things involved to decently 
change pitch but that it would get this distorted amazes me a bit.

But I guess it's another example of the Quadraverbs "can do a lot, but
nothing a 100%" idea, right ? 
Nothing wrong with that for me though. As long as I don't have a real 
sampler, the 1.55 seconds of sampling time serve me well for short
drum-parts.

Bye,

  Peter




Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 12:38:18 -0400 (EDT)
From: Randy Darden <rdarden -at- engin.umich.edu>
Subject: tremelo times?


   Does anyone have data on the oscillator speeds in the Quadraverb, such
that I could figure out the exact speeds at which things like the tremelo
oscillate?  It would be indispensible for synchronizing things, even
flanger and such..

advTHANKSance
Randy
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From: vermeere -at- nlceicl1.serigate.philips.com
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 16:56:37 +0200
Subject: re: tremelo times?


I doubt it, since they indicate the various things from 00 to 99 and
not in a more informative format.
It could be measured though (and maybe even a relation could be made to
other alike parameters), but that's more elaborate and another subject.

But let's hope my assumption is wrong and someone else posts the real info.

Peter



Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 14:00:43 -0400 (EDT)
From: Randy Darden <rdarden -at- engin.umich.edu>
Subject: re: tremelo times?


On Tue, 15 Apr 1997 vermeere -at- nlceicl1.serigate.philips.com wrote:

> I doubt it, since they indicate the various things from 00 to 99 and
> not in a more informative format.
> It could be measured though (and maybe even a relation could be made to
> other alike parameters), but that's more elaborate and another subject.
> 
> But let's hope my assumption is wrong and someone else posts the real info.

   I might take my quadraverb into one of the labs I have class on and
check out some stuff with a logic analyzer.. It would be nice if Alesis
provided such info.  Along the same lines, how much does the pitch shifter
shift the pitch?  99 hardly seems to be a full octave..

Thanks again
Randy
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Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 12:31:47 -0700 (PDT)
From: doublem -at- earthlink.net (Mark Michel)
Subject: effects purchasing advice


Hello.  I don't own a Quadraverb, but I'm thinking about buying one (not
the new one, the original).  I'm primarily interested in a delay unit -
something a bit hard to come by these days with all the multi-effects units
and all.  I'm the type of person who would like to have a separate effects
box for each effect.  Add that to the fact that I don't know much about
what's out there and you get one confused individual.  I do know I want a
unit that will give me at least 1.4 second delays that can sync to MIDI and
has a place to store a fair amount of user presets with relatively easy
operation.  Does anybody have any advice or warnings they could offer me?
I'd sure appreciate it.  Thanks.

Mark Michel




Subject: Re: effects purchasing advice 
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 13:54:36 -0700
From: tim scott <tims -at- vigra.com>


Dear mark and all members of the list:

Alesis did repair and upgrade my QV to a QV+ just a couple of months ago.
Maybe it's just my particular unit, but it's still ASTONISHINGLY noisy. 
Maybe it's the way my rack is set up, but even with nothing else turned
on and input shorted, if you turn the output pot past about the 3 o 
clock position the noise is *extremely* bad. It's *worse* if you choose
an effect with chorusing, as the "swooshing" is painfully obvious.
Less than that and it's quieter but then the reverb or other effect is 
also small.

I didn't use the QV when I recorded my (direct from Sound Module to DAT) CD.
We used a Yamaha 02R and I used the reverb and compression algorithms 
within it.

Also, I have never been able to get a "creamy smooth" reverb sound out
of it and I have tried every possible combination of algorithm, eqing
etc., that I can think of. But when I ran my synths into the 02R it
was trivial to get good sounding reverb. 

Well, go figure. But I wouldn't pay more than a few $ for a QV, and I
wouldn't recommend it for studio use, only live.

That's my 2 cents. Take it for what it's worth.

Best regards,

 + Tim Scott + Crow Caw Music Works + P.O. Box 19278 +
  + San Diego, CA 92159-0278 + FAX USA+619.463.3820 +
   +  tims -at- crow-caw.com + http://www.crow-caw.com  +



From: "John Nunes" <jnunes -at- rwbeck.com>
Subject: Re: effects purchasing advice 
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 18:13:33 -0400


Tim,

I use two QVs, primarily for live application, and have had some
trouble with noise.  I have found that in my guitar rig, the noise is
dramatically reduced when I run the QV directly off my preamp and into
the power amp inputs instead of using my amp's (Ampeg 140C) stereo
effects loop (preamp out to QV to power amp in).  I now have the
output almost maxed and control my volume from both the pre-amp's
parameters and from the input knob on the QV (as well as the QVs
parameters), which is usually at about 70%.  In this configuration,
the effects respond somewhat differently.  I'm not sure why that is,
but I have had some trouble getting the sounds out of it that I was
before.

I've also found that the effect is similar (although not as dramatic)
in running the QV off of a PA.  Instead of using the mixer's effects
loop, I have used an aux send (monitor out) as the QV's input and sent
the signal back into a spare channel.

Maybe this is only useful for live applications, but you may be able
to change your setup somewhat to get better results.


Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 23:15:25 +0100 (BST)
From: Diceboy <BENJAMIN4 -at- mdx.ac.uk>
Subject: QV/Noise arguments


OK. I'm going to place my chips upon the table, and declare my 
interests first:

I have none.

;) [Note for English MPs there...]

I have had a QV+ since they came out in England in about 1991 [phew..]
when I was 16 years old. Since then, I've used lots of lovely reverbs,
and a pile of dreadful ones. In the price/quality equation, IMO, there is
no better option than a QV+. Now. As far as this noise question goes.
I can honestly say that for voice over work [detailed...] recording onto
DAT, the QV is fine. My quad is certainly not excessively noisy, nope,
no, nein, Ez. I can't think of an occasion when I've longed for a Lexicon,
and turned the QV off, in order to use the Yamaha above. Really, honestly
and truly. Anyway. 

Shop around, if you're thinking of buying a Quad. [Alesis are quite reliable
generally...], but *whatever* you do, *DON'T* buy anthing with *Digitech* on
it. :(


:Benksi

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(n)  (------------------------------)  (n)

             Ben J.D Kelly




Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 15:26:38 -0700
From: Chuck McManis <cmcmanis -at- netcom.com>
Subject: Re: effects purchasing advice


: Hello.  I don't own a Quadraverb, but I'm thinking about buying 
: one (not the new one, the original).  I'm primarily interested 
: in a delay unit -- something a bit hard to come by these days 
: with all the multi-effects units and all.  I'm the type of person
: who would like to have a separate effects box for each effect. 

The answer to this question is "Yamaha SPX-90 II"

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All opinions in the non-included text above are the sole opinions of 
the author.


From: "John Nunes" <jnunes -at- rwbeck.com>
Subject: Re: QV/Noise arguments
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 18:45:18 -0400


Couldn't agree more.  (especially about the Digitech comment).


From: tssch -at- agt.gmeds.com ( Scott            C.      Hampton           230-2934 AGT/5514)
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 97 05:51:31 EST
Subject: Re: QV/Noise arguments


I totally agree with the digitech comments.

since i recently changed to using a high-gain preamp in my guitar rig, 
i have noticed a lot more noise coming out of my GT. sometimes it is
almost shocking how much noise there is. i still like the effects,
especially the reverbs & delays. as for chorus causing more noise,
i have been using the chorus in my preamp (ADA MP-1) which is a lot
less noisy. i have yet to record with it (hopefully yet this year)
so i cannot comment from that side of things.



Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 10:28:05 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Like a tea tray in the sky..." <tom.otoole -at- jhu.edu>
Subject: qv noise...


Everyone is saying it's very noisy when you turn up the output level. As that
famous doctor once said, don't do that. I'm not noticing unacceptible noise
from mine at more modest output levels. Then again I'm definitely not using it
in a noise-critical application. Lately I'm coming out of the slave output of
my guitar amplifier and using one channel of pitch detune to run another
guitar amp to get a stereo chorus sound (wurks gud). The guitar amp introduces
more noise than the quad. 

I'd like to find a small unit that could just do the pitch detune so I could
return the quad to the top of the signal chain and use more of its other
capabilities. Anyone know of such a unit?

Another thing, I find my quad starts intermittently crapping out after it's
been on a long time. It's definitely a heat problem, because it used to happen
sooner when it was in a rack above a tube preamp. And if I take the top off the
box it stops happening. Anyone else have this problem?

-Tom O'Toole


From: vermeere -at- nlceicl1.serigate.philips.com
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 17:20:40 +0200
Subject: Re: Digitech ?


Hello,

Please forgive me my ignorance, but what's all this Digitech stuff ?
I'll probably add a second FX-processor to my gear sooner or later so
I was wondering why Digitech is a bad thing to spend money on.

Curious,

 Peter


From: Chris Sherwood <chrisshe -at- microsoft.com>
Subject: RE: Digitech ?
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 11:35:53 -0700


> Please forgive me my ignorance, but what's all this Digitech stuff ?
> I'll probably add a second FX-processor to my gear sooner or later so
> I was wondering why Digitech is a bad thing to spend money on.

No, it's not as bad as they say.  In fact, some newer Digitech
processors are going to be much quieter than the older QV units.  They
also have a lot of cool wiz-bang effects that Alesis units don't have.

My beef with some of the Digitech processors is that they just don't
have the best reverbs. I use a Digitech processor (GSP=2101) in my
guitar rack and it works great for that.  It's also wired to the board
as a secondary 'multi-effects' processor, but I don't concider it my
primary reverb.  I use the Alesis QV2 for that, though I'm itching for a
Lexicon MXP-1.  

The reverb's in the very newest Digitech's (such as the Studio 400,
which completes closely with the QV2) are supposedly improved from
previous units, but I haven't heard them.  

Sony and Yamaha units reverbs are used the world over in studios from
home to pro -- they would be good units to check out as well.

Chris



Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 11:51:19 -0700 (PDT)
From: doublem -at- earthlink.net (Mark Michel)
Subject: Many thanks for the advice


Thanks to everyone who replied to my earlier post about choosing an effects
processor.  As I've found to be the case quite often, the best advice opens
up many new avenues to pursue rather than limiting a person to one or two
choices.  So while the situation may seem more complex at present (gasp!),
I now have more info and more ways to navigate the treacherous sea of
effect processor purchasing.  It's rough out there so wish me luck.  All
the best.

Mark



Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 00:27:05 +0100 (BST)
From: Diceboy <BENJAMIN4 -at- mdx.ac.uk>
Subject: Doctor Quad is IN



Hi Friends, Welcome to Doctor Quad's Surgery.

Our friend Tommy "Tinkle" O'Toole says:
>
>Another thing, I find my quad starts intermittently crapping out after it's
>been on a long time. It's definitely a heat problem, because it used to happen
>sooner when it was in a rack above a tube preamp. And if I take the top off 
the
>box it stops happening. Anyone else have this problem?
>
>-Tom O'Toole
                   

Doctor Quad says:

Yes, yes. This is a big problem. The QV isn't particularly susceptible
to overheating, but when it does, it is likely to damage the equipment.
You will probably experience the QV simply cutting out, or find that 
it no longer give output on one more channels, for a while, until
it's put it's knickers back on, and calmed down.

[Trans: Knickers = panties /"Under Garments" fem. COL.]

It may sound obvious, but try to maintain at least a 2 inch clearance around
any unit in a rack. If your FX are on *top* of your amp, you should try to 
work out a way of getting airflow between the unit, and the top of the
amp. Remember: the amp is generating quite a lot of heat, which will rise
and cause the operating temperature of the quad to rise quite a bit,
especially if you're using it over a prolonged period (let's say, at a
day rehearsal...) And on top of valves? Oy Ve!.

Suddenly, your german sweetness will conk out, and appear utterly Morte.

I wouldn't really resort to using an eggbox, but you really should think twice
before whacking yer QV straight on top of that cobo or head...
[dodgy, I know, suggestions anyone?]

To conclude:

The QV (or any other FX unit that hasn't got an 
internal fan) [umm.. can anyone think of one?!] & should have plenty of air
circulating around, to keep a relatively low operating temperature.

Equation:

Lower/normal op temperature = less strain on equipment = less downtime =
lower / no repair bills!


yes, folks, it's Doctor Quad, signing off:

..benski


benjamin4 -at- mdx.ac.uk


Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 10:31:04 -0400
From: jff -at- odin.tropel.com (Jon Fleig)
Subject: Re: qv list


I guess the list is quiescent, as the qv assumes its rightful place in
the oldie-but-goodie category of signal processors.

I have a 1991 Quadraverb GT that I use for both performance and recording.
For those of you perhaps unfamiliar with it, the GT model has an analog guitar
preamp tacked onto a Quadraverb Plus digital section.  I have been pleased
with the cost/performance ratio of the Quadraverb, and Alesis gear in general.

I am wondering how much longer my original battery will last.
Has anyone replaced his own battery?
Where did you get the replacement part?

I periodically do a sysex dump of my patches, so I will not be thrown into
a total panic when the battery does go belly up.

Regards,
Jon Fleig
jff -at- tropel.com




From: norkus -at- cig.mot.com (Paul M. Norkus)
Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 11:27:45 -0500
Subject: Couple-O-Questions


I picked the guitar again after 5 years of non-playing, dusted off
the QV (the original, I never even knew there was an upgrade to a
plus until I read the archives of this e-mail list), started
playing with some friends, and then found this list!  At least I
am out here...

I do have a couple of questions.  I though about getting an
ART X-15 Ultrafoot MIDI Controller and using it on my QV.  Other
than the punch a channel/scroll up and down, I was wondering
what other people have done with an X-15/QV combo (or the X-15
and any other multi-effects unit.)

Other than setting the delay of an echo, amount of reverb, I was
thinking of using the pedals to control the effects mixer out and
as a result us it as a foot volume control.  Would this work?  Also,
what does it sound like if you adjust the LFO envelop when using
a phaser effect? (I don't have my QV users manual here so I can't
remember which parameters you can control from an external controller.)

I know there are other pedals to control volume, etc. but I was
wondering how this would work.  Also, what do people think of
the X-15 in general?

Right now we are using the QV for reverb on vocals and I am using
my old Ibanez effects pedals for my guitar.  I'de like to use the
QV for the quitar though, and work out something different for the
vocals.

-- Paul

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Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 12:56:16 -0400 (EDT)
From: Randy Darden <rdarden -at- engin.umich.edu>
Subject: Sysex QV Path prgm Mac?


   Are there any Mac QV patch programs?  If not, i might take a stab at
writing a simple one..  Can anyone point me to a good reference on MacOS
functions, and something about how to program MIDI on the Mac?  Are all
MIDI interfaces dealt with in the same way?

thanks
Randy
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From: "John Nunes" <jnunes -at- rwbeck.com>
Subject: Re: Couple-O-Questions
Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 13:58:39 -0400


Paul,

A couple points of encouragement:

Nice goin' on picking up the guitar again, and definitely hook up the QV
to your guitar setup.  It's got some great sounds for guitar, if you know
what you're doing.

As far as the upgrade to QV+ goes, it's cheap, easy, and worthwhile, if
only for the multi-tap delay function.  If I get a chance I'll e-mail
contact info for Alesis (or if someone else has it handy...), or you can
check out their website (Alesis.com...manuals might be available here as
well, I don't know) for info.  Let me know how it goes.
	
And a couple questions:

I don't know a whole lot about real-time parameter control.  I have an
X-11 that I used to change programs, but I found the drop-out between
programs to be a pain in the a**.  How can you set up the X-15 to control
parameters in the QV?

I recently bought another processor that I like alot that's pretty
reasonable...Boss GX-700.  It's about $500+ and has about every effect
under the sun, although it isn't capable of some of the effects routing
functions of the QV.

What do others think about it?



Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 16:45:49 -0300
From: Carlos da Costa <cdc -at- pobox.com>
Subject: Re: Couple-O-Questions


If you just need a decent reverb for the vocals, get a Lexicon Alex
(or better yet, a Reflex, if you can afford the small price difference).
It sounds really cool on vocals, and it's pretty quiet. Easy to set
up too, and it's also quite usefull for putting ambience on everything.
Another alternative would be a Nanoverb from Alesis. It's small,
it's cheap, but it works great! 

About your X-15 question, I don't have any pedals here, but I'm trying
to put more control into my FX boxes using both a Peavey MIDI fader 
box (the PC1600) and another fader box by Kaway, the MM-16. Trouble is
finding enough time to program all the MIDI routings. What I've been
trying to do is to set up some generic but usefull patches (say, 
Chamber or Stereo Delay w/ Reverb or Flanger) and then program ALL
controllers on those patches, so that I can custom tailor the FX 
for each situation. Trouble then is, how do I keep track of WHICH 
controllers are assigned to WHAT on a given program? Yeah, I write
it out using Word, and then print it and put it in a folder, but it's
still not going too well. Any other ideas???



Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 23:03:36 +0100
From: Robert Watson <robert -at- gcmac.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Sysex QV Path prgm Mac?


I think I had better answer this as the last time someone asked for this
I promised to have my program ready soon.
I have written a Mac QV+ / GT editor/patch program its almost ready but I have
been very short of time.
I will upload it somewhere next Tuesday (there I've said it I'll have to
sort it out now) I'll disable the bits that still need work.
I'll let you know when I've uploaded it.

Rob



Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 14:14:22 +0200
From: Bernhard Bockelbrink <brainscan -at- usa.net>
Subject: Realtime controlling the QV


Hi,

I have recently tried to control a few of my QV's parameters via midi, but
sometimes noticed a certain clicking when doing this. Does anybody know
which of the controllable parameters are 'safe' to tweak? (might save me
the time of trying them all myself...)

	Thanx

		Bernhard
==============================================================
"Things are more like they are now than they ever were before"

check out: http://www.toptown.com/nowhere/brainscan

for projects, gear, midi.files, sounds etc.


From: tssch -at- agt.gmeds.com ( Scott            C.      Hampton           230-2934 AGT/5514)
Date: Thu, 22 May 97 10:09:05 EST
Subject: Re: Realtime controlling the QV


Bernhard,

i have never used real-time MIDI control, although i have longed to 
have a controller so i could play with it. as for the 'clicking'
you notice, i have noticed when setting or resetting a patch,
especially if i am adjusting delay or reverb times, as i 
change the value the qv seems to reset itself and begin the
algorhthym from the beginning. changing the values quickly i
have noticed produces a clicking. maybe this is what is happening?

scott


Date: Mon, 09 Jun 1997 12:07:41 -0700
From: "mick" <mick -at- ilink.nis.za> (by way of Bob Page <page -at- neato.org>)
Subject: quadraverb and miniquad 2 circuit diagrams


hi
i've a friend who isn't on and net who asked me to try and find him the
circuit diagrams for his quadraverb plus and miniverb ii. they've both
packed up and the only people who have the circuits are the import agents
for alesis here in south africa. they are 1000 miles from here and have the
monopoly on these units. they have refused to send copies of the circuit
diagrams and want him to send the two units to them (a very expensive move
i might add).
i personally think it's extremely unfair of them as when i had problems
with my g10 guitar synth, yamaha sent me everything i needed to get it
repaired properly.
hope you can advise.
my best 
mick
somerset west, south africa





Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 03:15:21
From: Kevin Begley <kevin.begley -at- mailbox.swipnet.se>
Subject: EQ Bandwidth in Octaves - what's that in Hz?


Hi,

During all the years i've used my QVGT i've never figured out what EQ
Bandwidth in Octaves means in terms of Hz? Could someone please explain it
to me, otherwise i'll probably be a complete ignorama my entire life.

Thank you,
Kevin


Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 22:04:24 -0400 (EDT)
From: Randy Darden <rdarden -at- engin.umich.edu>
Subject: Re: EQ Bandwidth in Octaves - what's that in Hz?


   An octave is a factor of two in frequency..  For instance, one normally
tunes to an A at 440Hz..  An A one octave higher is 880Hz, and an A
another octave higher is 1760Hz..
   So if you have the mid EQ frequency centered at 2000Hz with a width of
2 octaves, it then covers 1000 Hz to 4000Hz:  down one octave and up one
octave.  I imagine it's not a strict frequency cutoff, so at 4000Hz the EQ
effect may be 1/2 of the maximum, or maybe 3dB short of the maximum (I
don't know the particulars of the Qverb).  If the width was 1 octave, it
will cover 1414Hz to 2828 Hz, I think... Have I got this correct? 
(2000/sqrt(2)) to (2000*sqrt(2))?
   Fine-tuning the EQ is *very* helpful, but I usually don't have my QV in
my big rack, so it's a pain to be crouching down while wearing a guitar
and trying to twiddle EQ freqs, widths, etc., when the QV is on my amp or
the floor.  I usually screw around with it, and if it sounds good I'll
save it and start from scratch next time.


   Hope this helps..  Can anyone refresh my memory for the relationships
between fifths and thirds, etc., in terms of frequencies?  I was supposed
to learn this in a class, but, well...

Randy
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  Randy Darden - rdarden -at- engin.umich.edu           Michigan Music and Media
  www-personal.umich.edu/~rdarden/                             ~rdarden/mmm



From: tssch -at- agt.gmeds.com ( Scott            C.      Hampton           230-2934 AGT/5514)
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 97 06:13:25 EST
Subject: QV GT EQ


Hi all,

speaking of QVGT EQ, has anyone else experienced A LOT of noise from
the EQ section? I don't mean your typical type of hiss noise, i mean
a constantly changing noise that is only similar to cable noise.
when i take the EQ out of the patch the thing is quiet. i am 
almost ready to forget the EQ and buy a seperate unit. also, i
seem to be getting some sort of strange frequency shift mostly
when doing leads in the upper register. anyone experience that?

scott


From: vermeere -at- nlceicl1.serigate.philips.com
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 14:24:18 +0200
Subject: sample triggering by foot


Hello,

I hope this one isn't too inappropriate here...

It's about 'live'-triggering of samples by foot (so not by running
a sequencer and a clicktrack for instance).
 
With my little Yamaha SU10 portable sampler I can trigger samples for 
instance by a keyboard, I assume this is the usual way of 
sample-triggering (using MIDI-note messages).

I have a simple MIDI-keyboard that I can use for this, but to use
it as a footcontroller looks silly and inaccurate to me, even though
all I want to do is just to start a few samples by foot during a gig.

Enter my ADA MIDI footcontroller. But this one sends MIDI program changes,
not note-messages.

So here's the question-dept:

# Is there a (simple) way to convert MIDI program-changes into note-numbers ?

# Am I right in assuming that 'bigger' samplers can also only be triggered by
  MIDI-note messages to start sample playback? 
  (I'm asking this because when for instance I move to a bigger sampler and 
  triggering can be done by program-changes as well, I guess I'd better wait
  till I move on instead of the hassle now to get my SU10 working by foot)

 
I've figured out a way that should work (haven't tried it yet) but I'll have
to do some modifications and it requires a bit more gear than I'd like to take 
along to gigs:

my foot  -->
MIDI footcontroller (sending program changes)  -->
my Rockman MIDI-Octopus (converting program changes into switching-actions)  -->
the cheap MIDI-keyboard  (to be modified: some keys can be externally 
              controlled by the Octopus, sending MIDI-notes then)  -->
at last, the Yamaha sampler, sending the audio-signal out

Elaborate not ?
I could make it simpler by making a box of footswitches that directly control the 
keyboard, but it would require a sturdy box while I have a decent row of footswitches 
already around (the ADA MIDI-footcontroller).


Hope someone knows about some MIDI-conversion box or has a smarter way of triggering...
Or knows about a better place to ask my question.


Thanks,

  Peter


Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 09:33:43 -0700
From: Mitch Bacigalupi <mitch -at- tickets.stanford.edu>
Subject: Re: sample triggering by foot


Hello everyone,

I don't really know to much about samplers.  We have a couple in our
studio, but I really don't use them that much.

With that said, this is why I started my own mailing list called SOUND-L

It's a mailing list much like this one, but we discuss anything that has to
do with sound manipulation.  We talk mostly about guitar effects. Anything
from vintage stomp boxes to top of the line digital rack effects.  There is
also a lot of discussion about samplers/midi/electronics.

Basically, anything to do with music/sound is discussed.  There are a lot
of very knowledgeable people on the list.

If you would like to subscribe, send a message to: listserv -at- verve.stanford.edu

In the body of the message, type: SUBSCRIBE SOUND-L <first_name><last_name>

Sorry for the shameless promotion of this list, but I think it might be
helpful and interesting to a lot of you here.

Cheers,
-Mitch


Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 19:31:01 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dusty Chalk <dusty -at- access.digex.net>
Subject: QV GT upgrade


1)  I seem to have lost my instructions:  how do you upgrade to the new O/S
after you've installed the chip in the QV GT (I seem to remember holding two
buttons down while powering up)?

2)  I have one with 1.00 and one with 1.03 -- can I swap chips, bring the one
that _was_ at 1.00 up to 1.03 (by performing the upgrade procedures), and yet
still leave the other one (which was at 1.03) at 1.03 (by _not_ performing
the upgrade procedures, even though it has a 1.00 chip in it, now)?
... (and here's the kicker) safely (this means normal usage, not trying to
reload the presets or anything)?

BTW, hi, I'm new.  Be.

I remain,

Peter Prisekin                                     prisekin -at- netcom.com
    aka                                                     @
Dusty Chalk                                           dusty -at- access.digex.net


Subject: bass players using qv?
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 97 14:00:09 -0500
From: Clbe <cbrowne -at- interaccess.com>


[sploop!]

Im in! :) Any bass players using the Quadraverb? I would be interested in 
hearing what you can do with yours. I've had mine for about 3 years and 
am just starting to crafting sounds appropriate for bass.

Clbe

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From: vermeere -at- nlceicl1.serigate.philips.com
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 09:52:15 +0200
Subject: re: bass players using qv?


Hi,

I did use a QV+ for bass up to a few years back. In fact, I bought
it especially to take it on stage and to get rid of pedals (mainly a chorus
pedal).

While it sounded qood (I used it for 'space', not for 'normal' (EQ) applications
which you use all the time) I thought I had to add some box around it to
circumvent the strange bypass system.

I mean, when using the QV with a mixer (aux sends, aux returns), the QV-bypass
makes perfect sense. But when you want to use it in the FX-loop of an instrument-
amp, the dry signal always has to go thru the QV, gets A/D & D/A'd, also when the
QV is in bypass. This influence was audible.

So I soldered me a circuit that (controlled by a footswitch) bypassed the QV
when not needed. Made a blend control also, so the dry signal didn't need
to come from the QV anymore. Just like with a mixer and like found on modern
bass amps (FX-loops with blend).

Note that I used the QV post-preamp, I don't expect the best results when you go
directly from bass. But if it works...

About sounds, well dependant on what kind of FX you want, I think the QV
is OK for live and studio, a bit noisy but if you don't boost highs too much..
I use two the same cabinets (with separate power amps) so using stereo FX, it's
really something. For live, setting the various FX to mono may work better though.

Our set doesn't require 'space'-bass anymore so I use it for my homestudio
exclusively(sp?) now, it's my main reverb there.


Bye,

  Peter


From: Chris Sherwood <chrisshe -at- microsoft.com>
Subject: RE: bass players using qv?
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 13:10:42 -0700


Why not adjust all the mixes to 100% wet?

Chris



Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 21:51:26 -0400
From: wozmak -at- tiac.net (David Wozmak)
Subject: RE: bass players using qv?



Chris, you miss the point.  when he goes out the effects loop, the plug is
normalled (i.e.; it cuts off the regular or dry signal for the signal that
comes back from the effects.). So, he's got to mix the effect level in on
the outboard gear, which isn't so big a deal when he has reverb on, it's
when he wants it out of the loop completely...the quadraverb "still" goes
through the conversion, so it really isnt a "dry" signal at all...

you're thinking of a situation where you have access to both the original
dry signal and the wet signal separately, and you can mix them to your
heart's content (like in my setup, where I use a mixer)

dwoz




From: Chris Sherwood <chrisshe -at- microsoft.com>
Subject: RE: bass players using qv?
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 18:50:13 -0700


Oh, right <sound of palm smacking forehead>

> the quadraverb "still" goes
> through the conversion, so it really isnt a "dry" signal at all...

It's not a true bypass, so he created on of his own -- this is good.

> you're thinking of a situation where you have access to both the
> original
> dry signal and the wet signal separately, and you can mix them to your
> heart's content (like in my setup, where I use a mixer)

And like he said, when he uses the aux of his mixer.

Sorry, sorry.  But hey, at least I generated a little more traffic for
this very low traffic list. I don't know if that's a good thing or not
-- you decide ;^).

Chris




Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 06:39:47
From: Kevin Begley <kevin.begley -at- mailbox.swipnet.se>
Subject: QVGT's output signal, midi thru, and a D4 question


Hi,

Here's a couple of questions for you Alesis owners out there. 

Tried to use the QVGT's send output to feed the line in of my Digitech
2112. I wanted to use the overdrive and the preamp tone settings from the
QVGT with the 2112, but i got this increadibly high pitched screech from
the 2112. Anyone know why this is? Is the QVGT's signal output form the
send too hot? This even happens sometimes with the signal from the QVGT's
main outputs to the 2112. Never have a problem with the 2112 input
otherwise and sending the 2112's main output to the QVGT for more
processing doesn't cause any problems either. I sort of thought that output
levels and types were pretty standardized nowadays among effects boxes.

Another problem i'm having is getting the QVGT's midi out/thru to echo thru
the sysex dumping messages from other machines. Midi notes get echoed
without a problem, but the other sysex messages seems to get swallowed by
the QVGT and no matter what i do it won't spit them out agian. Any clues as
to what's causing this? (Yes, i've got MIDI THRU set to ON in the midi menu
- doesn't seem to do a thing) 

Any D4 owners out there? My dad recently helped me by picking up a used D4
i purchased from Guitar Center and sending it to me here in Sweden. It
arrived here without a manual (sigh). Anyone know what note chasing,
x-talk, noise, and the different group modes do? Still haven't figured it
out completely. All this triggering stuff is fun though. By running a bass,
guitar or drum track (.wav file) from Cakewalk into one of the triggers i
generate a midi track and can then go into that track, edit down the notes,
and assign whatever sound i like (via midi to either a sampler or synth) so
that i get an impossibly tight playing support track. Something that can be
abused, but in moderation it's way cool.

Thanks for the help!
Kevin 

Oh, by the way, if for some bizarre reason someone out there has an email
address for Guitar Center in San Jose i'd love to have it. Their web site
is always down whenever i try it.	



Subject: re: bass players using qv?
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 97 01:57:27 -0500
From: Clbe <cbrowne -at- interaccess.com>


On 9/4/97 2:52 AM, vermeere -at- nlceicl1.serigate.philips.com spoketh:

>So I soldered me a circuit that (controlled by a footswitch) bypassed the QV
>when not needed. Made a blend control also, so the dry signal didn't need
>to come from the QV anymore. Just like with a mixer and like found on modern
>bass amps (FX-loops with blend).

This is a great idea. I'm playing through a Hartke 7000 and I truly wish 
for a wet/dry blend control on the head. I just don't like the idea of 
using the effects processor as a mixer.

What about patches? Are there any good collections of bass patches for 
the QV? Right now I'm using about 10 out of the 100 available. They are a 
generic set of chorus, slight reverb, the original 'Taj Mahal', and some 
experimental ones. I would be interested in various EQ's that emulate 
some of the more distinctive bass sounds out there.

The one sound I've been trying to get but simply can't figger out is Tony 
Levin's sound.

Clbe


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Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 15:10:37
From: Kevin Begley <kevin.begley -at- mailbox.swipnet.se>
Subject: re: bass players using qv?


At 01.57 05-09-97 -0500, you wrote:
>The one sound I've been trying to get but simply can't figger out is Tony 
>Levin's sound.
>
>Clbe

That's because Tony's trademark sound comes from the Stick, which while it
sounds like an extra fat/deep electric bass is a different instrument.

Ciao,
Kevin



Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 09:49:30 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dusty Chalk <dusty -at- access.digex.net>
Subject: re: bass players using qv?


> >But hey, at least I generated a little more traffic for
> >this very low traffic list. 

Seconded.  I was beginning to think I was alone when no-one responded to
my post.  BTW, to answer my own question, no, you must leave the EPROM in
after you change the operating system.

> Tried to use the QVGT's send output to feed the line in of my Digitech
> 2112. I wanted to use the overdrive and the preamp tone settings from the
> QVGT with the 2112, but i got this increadibly high pitched screech from
> the 2112.

Is it possible you have a feedback loop?  Are you sure you patched it right?

> <MIDI question deleted>

> Any D4 owners out there? My dad recently helped me by picking up a used D4
> i purchased from Guitar Center and sending it to me here in Sweden. It
> arrived here without a manual (sigh).

Rogue Music sell manuals to everything.

> >The one sound I've been trying to get but simply can't figger out is Tony 
> >Levin's sound.
> That's because Tony's trademark sound comes from the Stick, which while it
> sounds like an extra fat/deep electric bass is a different instrument.

Actually, he's been playing a lot of bass lately.  And he even plays a key
synth on Dig Me (I think -- something from 3oaPP).  But, yes, his most
memorable sound comes from the Stick.

On the QVGT, you might want to try starting from Midsummer Nights Dream (or
whatever it's called).  I think a lot of compression might help emulate that
sound.  You might also try putting a mild flange on it.

I remain,
         Peter Prisekin                            prisekin -at- netcom.com
             aka                                           @
         Dusty Chalk                                  dusty -at- access.digex.net


Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 11:36:35 -0300
From: Carlos da Costa <cdc -at- pobox.com>
Subject: MIDI controllers for QV


Hi! Since there's a little traffic going on the list, I guess this is a
good time to place my question before you all go back into "virtual
un-reality" mode   ;>

Me setup is an ever-growing-time-and-money-consuming MIDI studio with
hard-disk recording capabilities, and today I'm more a producer than a
keyboard player.

I'm mostly into techno / ambient / electronic in general, although I do
produce many different kinds of music for others -- acid jazz,
guitar-and-voice, soul, funk, some soundtracks for video, etc.

I really like the QV+, and now I also have a QV2, which is "better" in a
way, but is also more complex, and I've come to realize that sometimes
LESS is MORE, because it can get you where you want faster.

What I've been trying to do is to gain more MIDI control of my patches,
but every effect (and effery different effect unit!) will have different
parameters -- about the only thing you can take for granted is that
there will be a "wet/dry mix" somewhere, and that can be assigned
control 7 - volume.

Sensible enough, but how can I assign controllers to the other
parameters AND still REMEMBER that afterwards??? I've tried to be
sistematic, but it didn't work, 'cause the parameter vary a lot. Then
I've tried the "write it down in a spreadsheet / database" approach.
That sort of works, but then you start pilling up binders -- synth
patches, mixer assignments, ADAT tape control, DAT listings, etc etc
etc.

This is supposed to be a CREATIVE place!! All the "paperwork"  gets a
bit in the way, although it does keep my sanity and past project memory.

If anybody got to different solutions to this MIDI patch control thing,
I'd really like to hear it.

Thanks!,
        CDC




Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 14:28:59 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Wolseley B. Shoninger" <lap001 -at- freenet.mb.ca>
Subject: Re: MIDI controllers for QV


This is just my two pennies, here, ... but 

what works for me is a simple template that I made for my keys that has a 
blank for every different parameter ... and I just fill this out with a 
name a the top for the Song I'm working on.  I goto the photocopy depot 
and make a few hundred of these as I need them. 

One idea, is ... if the pages are numbered sequentially, then I save a 
little time if I am modifying just a parameter or two .... by saying 

FROM PREVIOUS ... and then only write down the two parameters that I 
modified. If I need to know more, I just look at the page before it in 
the sequential listings. 

It's pretty fast and mostly just jotting a number here and there, but 
the alternative is to take a Harry Lorraines Memory course ... 

An alternative to this would be to have a dedicated laptop or xt just for 
the parameter settings ... with the parameters template online instead on 
paper. 

                                  -  wbs

P.S. ok ... I got a Question for everyone ... are there any sites online 
that have QVGT midi sysex dumps of different settings?  I think it might be 
neat to see what others are doing with these FX. 


From: Chris Sherwood <chrisshe -at- microsoft.com>
Subject: RE: QVGT's output signal, midi thru, and a D4 question
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 11:52:24 -0700


Kevin, I've got the GSP2101, which has more than one input (2 instrument
inputs and effects loop return), but I'm not sure about the 2112 -- are
you using the main instrument input?  If so, then it is likely that the
line output level of the QVGT is too high for the high-gain input of the
2112.  The 2101 does not have a input gain trim though... I thought the
2112 did.  If that's so, and the QVGT has the same output level control
my QV+ has, then you should be able to structure the gains so that they
match better. 

> This even happens sometimes with the signal from the QVGT's
> main outputs to the 2112. 

I'm confused now -- my QV+ has only one pair of outputs. 

> I sort of thought that output
> levels and types were pretty standardized nowadays among effects
> boxes.

You know, I used to get a high pitched whine from my GSP2101 from the
instrument, which is of course going against what the whole thing is
designed for ;^).  I complained to Digitech, but never got any
resolution.  I finally just got used to keeping to output gain down,
which kept the whine from happening for some reason.

> Another problem i'm having is getting the QVGT's midi out/thru to echo
> thru
> the sysex dumping messages from other machines. 

I have always had problems with my QV+ in the MIDI line.  I have a
multi-tude of MIDI machines and this is the only one that consistently
gets it wrong, relative to everything else.

Chris



Date: Sat, 06 Sep 1997 01:53:58
From: Kevin Begley <kevin.begley -at- mailbox.swipnet.se>
Subject: Re: QVGT's output signal, midi thru, and a D4 question


Hi dwoz,

Thanks for your response. I don't even have a mixer, i just use patch bays.
When i send the QV signal to the 2112 i never return a siganl back to the
QV. The send/return of the 2112 are connected to my Wah Wah pedal and the
outputs usually are heading for my amp. Nice try though. This one has
really got me stumped. It's almost like the tubes in the 2112 are going
microphonic, but even if i run the signal to headphones i get the same
problem. As the QV is the only piece of equipement that causes this i
figure it might be some sort of signal incompatability problem between the
QV and the 2112. 

Kevin


Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 05:54:10 -0400 (EDT)
From: Thomas Ross <rosst -at- union.edu>
Subject: MIDI control of patches


this may be a FAQ, but:

can anyone tell me how to change programs (and maybe control parameters) 
on the qv with MIDI commands from my sequencer? I suspect it's sysex
something or other but have never used it before. 

I'm using the Amiga (!) with Bars'n'Pipes. BnP will select and edit sysex
messages if this is what's involved. controller: EPS 16+; sounds:
Kurzweil K2000.

thanks much.

Tom Ross



Date: Sun, 07 Sep 1997 15:47:33
From: Kevin Begley <kevin.begley -at- mailbox.swipnet.se>
Subject: RE: QVGT's output signal, midi thru, and a D4 question


At 19.25 05-09-97 -0700, you wrote:
>Offline
>
>> From: 	Kevin Begley[SMTP:kevin.begley -at- mailbox.swipnet.se]
>> 
>	[....]  It's almost like the tubes in the 2112 are going
>> microphonic, but even if i run the signal to headphones i get the same
>> problem. 
>> 
>This *really* sounds like the feedback problem I had.  I would still get
>squeal if I disconnected the 2101 from everything else but the guitar.
>I even disconnected my overdrive pedal.  It only happened when the
>output knob was past 3/4.  
>
>I suspect it will happen with any high level signal.
>
>Chris

Hi Chris,

It happens to mine if i'm up above 1/2 with both the input and output knob.
According to an email i got from a fellow 2112 owner this could be some
sort of hardware probkem with the 2112. I'll let you know what i find out.

Ciao,
Kevin



Date: Sun, 07 Sep 1997 15:47:40
From: Kevin Begley <kevin.begley -at- mailbox.swipnet.se>
Subject: Re: QVGT's output signal, midi thru, and a D4 question


Hi Andre,

Thanks for your response.

>Be carefull to use either QVGT's or 2112's distortions (bypassing the one
>not needed). Although it is ok to use both at the same time, it's hard to
>control them and get a good sound out of them when used together, but you
>decide! :)

Yea, i would agree with you about mixing the Gt's dist with the 2112's
dist, bt i like the GT's overdrive, compression and the presence preset on
the preamp tone page. I think they mix well with the 2112. Actually, i like
the GT's reverb better with guitar than the 2112's, but i think the 2112's
reverb sounds better with everything else in my ears.

>
>Regarding the 2112 high pitched screech: does it exist when using the 2112
>alone? Some guys from the 2112 users mailing list (which I suppose you are
>subscribed to, as I've seen some posts of yours :) had the same problem
>and I think it was a hardware problem and they had to send the 2112 in to
>repair! :(  I don't think the QVGT has anything to do with the screech...
>but it could happen! ;)
>--
>Andre Oliveira
>Setubal, Portugal

I guess i'll have to write the 2112 mailing list about this one. That's a
great list.

By the way, have you ever tried controlling the GT's mod (controller)
settings via MIDI and the 2112? I was thinking that i could use an
expression pedal on the 2112 to control things like phaser depth, reverb
decay, and delay feedback on the GT. Any idea if this would work? I've
never really messed with the mod settings on the GT before, but as there
are 8 of them it could be a really cool feature for obtaining some wild
patches. I've tried a bit of this with the 2112 and have had quite a bit of
fun with it (even if i still need to get better control of my foot for it
to be really effective). Anyone out there have any fun patches with
controller settings in it that they might like to share? It doesn't need to
be serious just something to get some ideas from for further programming.
There is a lot that can be done with these units if you just experiment
enough. I've certainly experminted with my GT, but there is always some new
nook or cranny that i discover that opens up a whole new world for me. The
2112 is way more complicated and i think i've just scratched the surface of
what is possible there.

Here's a couple of GT patches for everyone to play with. I'll send them in
sysex format. If you come up with some interesting modification of these
please send me a copy, i'd love to hear it.

Ciao,
Kevin

P.S. Please note that the effect loop is IN on these patches so if you
aren't getting something interesting either try turning the loop to OUT or
put a patch cable from the send to the return.



Date: Sun, 07 Sep 1997 15:54:16
From: Kevin Begley <kevin.begley -at- mailbox.swipnet.se>
Subject: Re: MIDI control of patches


At 05.54 07-09-97 -0400, you wrote:
>
>this may be a FAQ, but:
>
>can anyone tell me how to change programs (and maybe control parameters) 
>on the qv with MIDI commands from my sequencer? I suspect it's sysex
>something or other but have never used it before. 

Hey Tom,

As for your question, i know that you can imbed sysex messages in your
sequencer program that are then recpgnized by the QV. You need to go into
the MOD section to assign whatever you want to control with whatever you
want to control it with.

If you get any private responses on this one could you please post them on
the list. Thanks!

Ciao,
Kevin

 

Date: Sun, 07 Sep 1997 12:38:22 -0300
From: Carlos da Costa <cdc -at- pobox.com>
Subject: QV patches & MIDI control


Kevin Begley wrote:


Kevin:

Last year I started building up a (so far small) library of QV and QV2
patches that sound pretty "basic" (=tame, boring, normal, ...) when
played as they are, but all of them come complete with all 8 controllers
set for maximum expressivity using a fader box such as the Peavey
PC-1600 (great stuff!). Of course, you can always save your bucks and
set up an adequate fader configuration in Cakewalk or whatever sequencer
you're using.

Then, by playing with the faders, you can go to really wild settings,
with deep chorus / flanger / phaser settings, heavy reverb, long decays,
etc.

I'm trying to have just a small set of generic patches that I can
customize for every tune I mix. (Still got a long way to go...)

Now, I'm more than willing to share my patches with everybody else, but
wouldn't it be better if somebody set up a simple HTML / FTP site where
we could all do our uploads / downloads?? (Sorry but I don't have access
to any free space right now, and can't afford to "rent" one)

So, what do you all have to say on that? We could start a QV Trading
Post!

> Here's a couple of GT patches for everyone to play with. I'll send
> them in
> sysex format. If you come up with some interesting modification of
> these
> please send me a copy, i'd love to hear it.
>

Hum, didn't get those patches... You did embed them with you message?

Bye!




Date: Sun, 07 Sep 1997 18:06:44
From: Kevin Begley <kevin.begley -at- mailbox.swipnet.se>
Subject: Patches


Allright everybody, here are some patches. They are in Sysex format and if
you have cakewalk all you have to do is bring up the sysex view and then
use the load bank function to bring them up into cakewalk. From there it's
send away. If you are using a QV or a QV+ then you might be able to load
these if you change a couple of hex numbers at the very begining of the hex
code. Just compare the sysex messages and figure out which two
number/letters are different at the begining and then change those numbers
to whatever your machine requires. It works in reverse in anycase.

Ok, if there's one thing i hate is when someone sends some of their
favorite patches to a list and no one else does the same. So, let's get
some generousity going on this list and exchange patches. DON'T BE A PATCH
LEACH - POST A FEW OF YOUR OWN!!!

That having been said, i'll just add that the patches i'm posting may not
be to your liking, but maybe they'll get you inspired to experiment on your
own. There's a lot to be weaseled out of these boxes, so give it a go. 

Enjoy,
Kevin

[patches are on the qv site .. bob]


Date: Sun, 07 Sep 1997 18:39:31
From: Kevin Begley <kevin.begley -at- mailbox.swipnet.se>
Subject: Re: QV patches & MIDI control

At 12.38 07-09-97 -0300, you wrote:
>Kevin:
>
>Last year I started building up a (so far small) library of QV and QV2
>patches that sound pretty "basic" (=tame, boring, normal, ...) when
>played as they are, but all of them come complete with all 8 controllers
>set for maximum expressivity using a fader box such as the Peavey
>PC-1600 (great stuff!). Of course, you can always save your bucks and
>set up an adequate fader configuration in Cakewalk or whatever sequencer
>you're using.
>
>Then, by playing with the faders, you can go to really wild settings,
>with deep chorus / flanger / phaser settings, heavy reverb, long decays,
>etc.

Yea, great idea, i've got a MM-16 so i can do something similar.

>
>wouldn't it be better if somebody set up a simple HTML / FTP site where
>we could all do our uploads / downloads??
>
>So, what do you all have to say on that? We could start a QV Trading
>Post!

Another great idea. I know i've seen a site with Quadraverb patches
somewhere. I'll do a search and see what i can find. If it already exists i
imagine it can't be much work to just add to the collection. 

Ok, Duh, i found it. It's the same people who do this mailing list. Who is
that? Any chance you nice people (person?) can add to the patch library
that you have already modestly built up? Who do we send patches to? 

Here's the URL in anycase:

http://www.neato.org/qv/patches/index.html

>
>Hum, didn't get those patches... You did embed them with you message?
>

No, i realized i needed to review them a bit or else i'd end up sending
everyone a bunch of wierd or retarded patches. You should have them by now
though.

Ciao,
Kevin




Date: Sun, 07 Sep 1997 10:34:39 -0700
From: Bob Page <page -at- neato.org>
Subject: Re: QV patches & MIDI control


>wouldn't it be better if somebody set up a simple HTML / FTP site
where
>we could all do our uploads / downloads??

I'll add a patch upload page at the QV site:

http://www.neato.org/qv/

Until then, you can email them to me and I'll put them on the site.

Also, I get lots of private queries about patch editor and patch
library availability ... what are you using?  What OS are you running
it/them on?  Where did you get it/them?

bp


Date: Sun, 07 Sep 1997 23:47:48
From: Kevin Begley <kevin.begley -at- mailbox.swipnet.se>
Subject: Patches - 2 more


Oops, forgot a couple.

Enjoy,
Kevin

P.S. Watch out for the David Haubensack patches on the web page i gave you.
I tried out a couple of his patch banks and they completely messed with the
OS of the GT. They are a real nightmare if you own a GT.

Pete Lyall's two banks worked just fine.

In case you meet disaster here's the scoop (courtesy of Karl E Schmidt):

"WARNING: There is a problem with the Quadraverb series MIDI system exclusive
data communications which in very rare cases, can cause the Quadraverb to
lock up if there are communication problems.  Switching the Quadraverb off
and on will not fix the problem.  The only way to resolve the problem is to
press the program and bypass buttons down as the Quadraverb is turned on,
and to hold them down until the unit displays the edit buffer patch.  This
will initialize all programs and settings to their factory defaults.  It is
recommended that you back up your programs to disk using the File - Get
Patch Bank command in case this problem should occur."

If you haven't tried Karl's shareware program Quadraverb Patcher for the
entire QV series you should give it a test run. The latest version can be
downloaded from:

http://www.cyweb.com/~karl/midi/midi.html


Date: Sun, 07 Sep 1997 23:52:10
From: Kevin Begley <kevin.begley -at- mailbox.swipnet.se>
Subject: Re: QV patches & MIDI control


My OS is Win95 (soemtimes WinNT). My patch editor/librarian is Midi Quest,
but it can be unreliable at times. To be totally certain i always back up
to Cakewalk.

Ciao,
Kevin



Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 05:31:47
From: Kevin Begley <kevin.begley -at- mailbox.swipnet.se>
Subject: Midi Thru


Does anyone know of a way to get the Midi Thru on my GT to work as it is
supposed to? Whenever i daisy chain it together with other gear none of the
sysex messages get echoed through the GT. I've got the Midi Thru enabled
(On) but it doesn't seem to make the least bit of difference. It's not a
cable problem either. This is a mystery to me. I contacted Alesis thinking
it might be a revision problem, but it apparently isn't. Or, if it is, it's
gone unnoticed by them all these years. I don't think it's a
overload/beffering problem because i sent a 60 byte sysex message and not
even that got through. Any ideas would be welcomed.

Ciao,
Kevin



Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 20:29:16 +1000
From: Croft <croft -at- powerup.com.au>
Subject: midi thru


kevin, i have also had problems with the midi controllers of the
quadraverb. i have had no success when connecting my computer to use the qv
patch editors with the quadraverb. I get no response even after connecting
the cables to the quadraverb, and with the midi thru off and the sysex on i
still get no success. can you suggest anything for the problem. 
as for your problem, friends of mine have suscessful systems linking their
quadraverb to various other units and their system operates but i'll ask
around
cya later
ben



From: vermeere -at- nlceicl1.serigate.philips.com
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 13:46:41 +0200
Subject: re: midi thru / sysex


Hi,

W.r.t. the 'no sysex coming from the thru socket'-problem:

When visiting http://www.neato.org/qv/  I read somewhere
(don't know exactly where it was stated, I thought the 'gearhead'-link)
that it's simply not possible to get sysex from the thru. So it
was advised not to connect anything downstream.

Haven't encountered problems with the above; I try to avoid to use
thru's at all with my MIDI-stuff - especially because MIDI-splitter boxes
are easy to build oneself so they can be made as large as you want.
Commercial boxes aren't expensive either.

  Peter


Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 13:15:26
From: Kevin Begley <kevin.begley -at- mailbox.swipnet.se>
Subject: RE: Midi Thru


At 20.30 09-09-97 -0700, you wrote:
>Are you sure it's the QVGT?  I mean, if you connect the cable directly
>to the device after the QV (taking the QV out of the path), does that
>device then receive it just fine?

Yea, it's no problem then. I've got 4 units connected to MIDI, a D4,  a
2112, a MM-16, and the QVGT. Only the GT doens't echo the other machines
signals to the THRU.

Kevin



Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 09:43:18 -0700
From: Bob Page <page -at- neato.org>
Subject: free effects processor for windows 95 ! --> http://www.admiral.ru/~simon



FYI -- bp

>Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 15:17:43 -0700
>From: Tim Simon <dima -at- simon.spb.ru>
>Subject: free effects processor for windows 95 ! --> http://www.admiral.ru/~simon
>
>free !
>
>first step ! not exelent.
>But why I must by q-reverb if I can use my PC as a q-reverb ????
>no money need...



Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 06:24:15 -0700 (PDT)
From: Scott & Julie Hampton <sjhampton -at- iquest.net>
Subject: QVGT EQ


Hi all,

I've used a QVGT now for several years and love the sound, especially
the effects. But I have always experienced problems with the EQ section.
It's noisy! And I don't mean the typical high frequency hissing, I mean
a very ugly, almost digiyal sounding, noise that appears right along
with what ever signal is sent to it, and then stops when the signal
stops. I have tried shutting down every section of the GT individually
and the EQ seems to be the culprit. Since I haven't been able to get
it to stop, I simply no longer use the EQ which is a bummer. I am close
to buying an EQ for my guitar rack, but I feel like there should be some
way to get this thing to behave. One of the reasons I bought it was to
have all of those goodies in a single rack space, so buying an EQ will
be defeating the purpose. Has anyone else experienced this and found
out how to fix it?

One other thing I have experienced is an odd sort of digital filter, 
pitch shifting effect only during leads in the upper register. A little
bit of my set-up: I use the preamp section with compression set to 2,
noise gate set to 7 and the tone set to bright. No distortion or
speaker emmulator. At times I use varying times of delay, multiple reverbs
and flanging. Remember, no EQ (except for the tone in the preamp section).
Now, when i use only the preamp set up as described above, I get this
weird pitch stepping thing. It sounds like the filter section of an
old analog synth (such as a mini moog) with the high pitched tones,
that continually step up in pitch. Has anyone experienced this?

Well, sorry for the book. Have a nice weekend.

Scott


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